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this hour by Frederick Remington fully

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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg so Chris O'Brien is

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absent without official leave again on

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this episode now he tells me that he's

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of course in a new home and the

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Internet's not quite working yet so he's

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kind of stuck and other than opening the

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window and screaming loudly which I

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realized some of us might feel like

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doing from time to time that however is

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the best you can do so hopefully he'll

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be back next week we do have Peter

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Robbins joining us this week and we've

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got a lot of things to talk to him about

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but one of the things we're not gonna

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really get back into is the issues

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regarding Rendlesham and his association

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with co-author Larry Warren and if

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anyone who was interested in that he did

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give me a copy of a long paper that he

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wrote on the subject 28 pages worth and

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we posted it at the para cast forums

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under the thread called

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ask Peter Robbins in the power cast

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forums so check out the document there

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hopefully that answers all your

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questions and we can move on but I did

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want to ask you Peter in the general

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sense here you know sometimes we get

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involved in these older UFO cases that

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being 1980 cash land from being 1980

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Roswell 1947 do you think we focus in

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general too much in some of these older

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cases and trying to understand UFOs a

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good question I think a lot of it has to

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do with the spirit of the inquiry and

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what you're actually trying to find or

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deduce or bring to the surface that

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either has not been explored or if you

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have new information on what we'll call

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a dated case it can be very important a

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lot of these things I don't consider

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time sensitive and in fact if I think

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about it my habit is much more often

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than not going back into the archives or

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lingering questions about the subject in

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the broader sense or issues around it

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rather than you know the sexiest newest

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most exotic claims or cases or breaking

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stories for myself anyway I see myself

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as an investigative writer most that the

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contributions that I think I make that

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have been the most lasting have been

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tackling subjects that are couched in

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post-war history and aimed at

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intelligent open-minded skeptics who

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like most people in our culture are

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subject to being a defect of what I call

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the UFO ridicule factor that of course

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we know they're not real because you

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know society tells us that and

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everything that we've read in official

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media has underscored that over the

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years obviously I'm not talking about

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folks who are deeply involved in the

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work and I hope that they also benefit

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from what I do to try to ground

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important cases or important stories in

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real documentation a history of real

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people locating it and presenting it

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more like a legal case I figure if I can

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get somebody through that first door and

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into the allegorical foyer where they

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can begin to say to themselves hmm that

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was something that's making me think

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maybe there is more to this than I had

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really thought about and as a result I'm

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more interested in moving forward and

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learning more about it do you think

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though now in the 21st century people

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even believe what the government or the

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media tells them anymore I think that is

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a huge problem we have entered a

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full-fledged

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age of conspiracy and a government that

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encounters critiques of it by saying

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that's fake news or an alternate fact

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it's getting very more and more

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Orwellian not to mention the fact that

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the internet itself while one step away

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from magic

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for most of us that are not tech heads

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and a source of endless information on

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anything is very much a double-edged

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sword I'm an analog person in a digital

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world the way I see it and my first

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resource is a damn good library of

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actual real books publications archive

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materials that I'm always building and I

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augment it by going online but I go to

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printed sources that have stood the test

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of time more often than not before I

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will try to validate something online so

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many of the things that are posted

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really have no provenance witnesses are

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spoken of but they don't step forward we

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just hear that they exist in this day

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and age anybody that knows how to use

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Photoshop halfway can create a fairly

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compelling still or moving image that

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you know some years back would have had

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a lot of us believing it was authentic

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because it looks so good I think all

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that changed with you know kind of the

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age of Jurassic Park and the like where

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we can see things on the screen or on

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the printed page and they look as good

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as anything in what we'll laughingly

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call the world of reality but in fact

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they're complete hokum of course we also

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have augmented reality and virtual

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reality and still somewhat removed in

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reality but I have a feeling that

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someday you'll be able to be taken

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somewhere artificially and you won't

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know the difference between that and

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what we regard as reality well we're

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probably there right now in the sense

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that let's say that you're in a neutral

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situation you know in a bed or whatever

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and you know you're you're not walking

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around and you have a great you know I I

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don't know what they call them but those

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things that you put on that's like a

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huge monster kind of head wrap and you

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are seeing an image in freedom

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mentions that you can turn around and

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see the back of it that kind of thing

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and it plays out maybe that's not

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exactly what you're talking about but

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I'm sure we're headed there it certainly

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makes sense that that is in our future

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lord knows we probably have it already

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but it's not available you know as a

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download for consumers quite yet

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well of course those big goggles are

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very clumsy and everything but I'm

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thinking here when you talk about a faux

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reality creating some kind of reality

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and you've had a lot of experience

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investigating abduction cases yep how

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much of that do you think is something

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generated externally but isn't what we

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think it is there isn't what the

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recipient of recipient thinks it is well

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if you're talking actual real abduction

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cases with individuals who have had

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lifelong experiences and very likely

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their parents have and their children

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may or are and there is physical

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evidence to back it up and witness

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accounts that support it the scans

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reveal an implant and a place that's

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impossible to get to technically or more

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than possible to get to I think we're

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dealing with a very real

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three-dimensional situation and not some

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alternate reality if you will so this is

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an ET messing with us somehow well

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whether it's from another planet another

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universe another dimension is purely

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speculative although I think it's naive

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to think that some of these other

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intelligences are not extraterrestrial

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in nature although that seems to be a

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wonderfully contested theory right now

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but yeah I think they are real events

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happening to real people in real time

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and in real space there may be other

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but the ones that I spent years

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investigating as Budd Hopkins assistant

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and certainly on my own I think the ones

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that are genuinely anomalous and

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authentic fall in that category

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reality that's painted in those

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whatever the cause is what these

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experiences are really encountering or

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about here when you mentioned the so

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called alien implants and the late Roger

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Leir dr. Roger Leir oh yeah spent a

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number of years investigating that he

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was on the power cast four times over

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the years yeah great guy and

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unfortunately no longer with us so

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looking at his work now any sense of

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what we have left in terms of evidence

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what is it sure oh yeah yeah Roger who

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professionally was a podiatric surgeon

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who became very interested in the UFO

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subject eyes I recall fairly early on in

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his life but you know as a side interest

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broke new ground becoming the first

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credentialed medical person retrieving

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at the request of individuals these

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anomalous objects from people's bodies

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and he worked very closely with Budd

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Hopkins over the years he would come to

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New York sometimes I remember a

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wonderful period of time when I was

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working as an off-broadway theater

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manager and he and bud used to come to

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the theater and just have a grand old

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time he's a very social guy but he had

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tremendous courage gene he risked his

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reputation and wrote to I feel very

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important books well think of it this

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way if you were to just

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take a foreign object in you know

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subcutaneously under the skin the body

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would send out a warning an infection

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might set in white blood cells would

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rush to the area it could become red

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swollen infected how is it that in the

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world of implants and I say implants

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here related to the anomalous aspect of

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the subject because we human beings have

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been working away on implants for

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probably 25 years or so that I'm aware

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of but he was the person who established

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after careful study that there is an

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incredibly strong membrane on the

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implants that he extracted from people

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who had stepped forward with a history

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of having these abduction experiences

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that was the equivalent of a stealth

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coating the body simply never recognized

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that they were there and as such they

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went unnoticed unless they showed up in

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a cat scan and x-ray a nuclear scanner

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that kind of thing I think his

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contributions were pioneering and

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remained more relevant than ever to

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backtrack a little bit though 20 odd

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years ago I was sent an article in an

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agricultural journal a publication aimed

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at farmers and it was for a brand new

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product it was about the size of a

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quarter and it was simply a LoJack of

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sorts

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to be inserted in a sterilized slit in a

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cow's ear and then he a lot farmers

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would have a receiver and if you had a

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piece of livestock that wandered off of

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your property you could know where it

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was very good we now see that there are

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companies that have developed these

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things that are now about the size of

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the ones that we originally saw well

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before we were making them or we're

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turning up in the bodies of people with

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abduction histories that are no bigger

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than a BB

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or a grain of rice and there's certainly

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understandable speculation about what

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they're about there aren't a whole bunch

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of options tracking control data storage

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all come to mind I continue to follow

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this story because I think it is very

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new world order II in fact if anybody

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scans down my facebook page about a week

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and a half or so ago I received a small

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film clip from a tech company that is

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making these and they are being

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voluntarily tried by a corporate group

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of orphan office workers I think in

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Holland who are embracing the experience

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because you don't have to have a code to

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enter a security door you just wave your

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hand in front of it and the like

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I think the target for marketing these

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things to rest early also is a

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double-edged sword I have seen tech ads

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that aim at prospective buyers who are

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either wealthy individuals who are

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concerned and I mean very wealthy

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individuals concerned about the

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possibility of their children being

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kidnapped and this little sucker would

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go into your kid and you know you could

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find out where they are law enforcement

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could catch the criminals hypothetically

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and your child would be returned at the

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other end it is these devices are now

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quietly being marketed to private prison

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systems what better way to deal with a

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three-time loser a life prisoner

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convicted murderer whatever or anybody

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else you want who's in your prison

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system and the heck with voluntary

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insert one of these things into them if

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they escaped same thing you can track

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them down without bloodhounds or without

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a lot of money being spent

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you just follow where they are you don't

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over a slit any more well that's right

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this is real technology and exists now

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although in the civilian sector here

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very few of us

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hear about it or aware of it or read the

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highly specific technical journals where

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this kind of advertising pitch would

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appear but as far as the truly anomalous

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ones the ones that I have seen handled

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are not much bigger than a BB or a grain

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of rice with the exception of only one

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that I've ever seen no moving parts

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intelligent speculation gives us several

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choices or maybe they function in all

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ways control tracking data storage and

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whatever else anybody can come up with

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so you think here if ET is a couple

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thousand years ahead of us the implant

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they insert would we even be able to see

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it though that's the thing I kind of

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worry about here I mean well you're

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looking at the technology we have today

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micro miniaturization all these tiny

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chips that we put in the supercomputers

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that we call smart phones and now we've

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got 80 being a thousand or ten thousand

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or a hundred thousand years ahead of us

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or three million whatever it is would we

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even be able to detect the presence of

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anything well on someone that's one of

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those questions that sort of bites its

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own tail if there are ones that are at

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that level of technological marvel then

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of course we don't know that they're

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there however many many of these things

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have turned up some of them removed on

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x-rays in cat scans in nuclear scans and

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you know they're there in people's

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bodies almost always without a sign of

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entry you know some surgical scar

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something although that is occasionally

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the case and you know they're here now

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and they're real and those ones we do

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know about we've got more to come with

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is Greg Cameron from presidential UFO

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calm you're listening to the para cast

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okay thank you Peter Robbins joining us

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this week Chris O'Brien's absent again

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he doesn't have internet or barely has

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internet at his new home so I understand

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the feeling I can imagine here I don't

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have the greatest internet and over the

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last few weeks I've been uploading

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full episodes I get a few up every day

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that's the best I can do we're up to

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about 90 so far the goal is to get every

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episode from 2010 on we're talking about

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350 episodes or so up there in the next

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couple of months so look it up just do a

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search for the power cast on YouTube and

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you'll find it we have Peter Robbins

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we're catching up we're talking about

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the so called alien implants found in

610
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some people who say they were abducted

611
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and trying to determine what they are I

612
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guess RFID chips or something like that

613
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they've got microchip in my dog right

614
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now but I dare say it's probably a heck

615
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of a lot larger than the ones you found

616
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now that's an important thing to these

617
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tiny little things they've been

618
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recovered are you able to use some kind

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of super microscope to see what they're

620
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made of well I am NOT involved in

621
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analyzing implants it's not my expertise

622
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to the best of my knowledge and I would

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have to go back to my conversations with

624
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Roger on this primarily there's no

625
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material that any of them that I'm aware

626
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of or have been publicized or brought to

627
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the public's attention no material that

628
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:18,490
they're made of that's not found here on

629
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earth which doesn't necessarily mean

630
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they're from Earth Oh exactly we have

631
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the basic

632
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:28,900
materials found on earth all over the

633
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place out there of course that's not the

634
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point here we look at these things to

635
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say wealthy materials are made of what

636
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we can find here on earth they couldn't

637
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:44,710
possibly be alien but then again on

638
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:46,060
another planet they might have the same

639
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,730
elements well of course they do we know

640
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that from the world of endless

641
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meteorites and now having sent probes to

642
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outer planets in our solar system we're

643
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dealing with the same materials the same

644
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metals the same molecular structures the

645
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same prime mortal you know soup that

646
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created life here on earth if there are

647
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brand-new materials which you know is a

648
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staple of science fiction and I think

649
00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:21,610
wish fulfillment for a lot of folks who

650
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want to believe that things are maybe

651
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even a little more exotic than they are

652
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and they're pretty damn exotic yeah I'm

653
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not aware of any scientific

654
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,980
breakthroughs that have you know in

655
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terms of astrophysics that have

656
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presented material you know that's

657
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crashed here on earth or been brought

658
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back know from some remote mmm planetoid

659
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or asteroid or you know visit by a

660
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wonderful robot spacecraft to another

661
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planet in our solar system that has

662
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revealed any brand-new material that we

663
00:31:00,680 --> 00:30:57,820
were not aware of or don't have here on

664
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earth which doesn't necessarily mean

665
00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:03,100
they weren't produced on earth I'm just

666
00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:06,220
thinking here though that something of

667
00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:09,820
this nature could be undetectable if ET

668
00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:11,560
is that far advanced that's the question

669
00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:13,780
people have when they're skeptically

670
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:17,560
looking at UFO abductions that the

671
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:20,530
so-called aliens are not displaying what

672
00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:23,070
appears to be very advanced technology

673
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:25,000
examination instruments tend to be

674
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primitive or is that all an image that

675
00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:31,060
hides what they really did that's why I

676
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was going out before whether we're

677
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seeing an artificial reality it may

678
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represent in some way what they're

679
00:31:42,029 --> 00:31:38,950
actually doing but it's not

680
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:42,039
as well what they did I've never heard

681
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:45,010
their technology described as primitive

682
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:49,630
I I'm not sure what point you're getting

683
00:31:56,879 --> 00:31:54,159
here to here gene my years and years of

684
00:32:04,590 --> 00:31:56,889
study on the abduction phenomena and

685
00:32:07,019 --> 00:32:04,600
networking with Kathleen Martin Budd for

686
00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:07,029
many many years of course and working

687
00:32:11,539 --> 00:32:09,419
close by him on literally the

688
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:11,549
investigation into the claims of

689
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:15,970
hundreds of people over the 35 years we

690
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:18,010
were friends and the time in there that

691
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:22,960
I worked with him that it is what it

692
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:26,110
seems to be real people are being taken

693
00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:30,370
by other intelligences brought to other

694
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:32,950
locations and generally assumed to be

695
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:38,340
but not always on board a craft and

696
00:32:46,259 --> 00:32:42,179
examined or you know having something

697
00:32:49,379 --> 00:32:46,269
placed in them suggestions made into

698
00:32:53,129 --> 00:32:49,389
their head and then brought back to

699
00:32:56,129 --> 00:32:53,139
where they were you're sort of talking I

700
00:32:59,009 --> 00:32:56,139
think more like kind of a matrix idea

701
00:33:04,139 --> 00:32:59,019
that all quote-unquote reality is

702
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:04,149
invented and that this is way beyond you

703
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:05,980
know the nuts and bolts of what I'm

704
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:06,970
talking about

705
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:11,830
if so I can only speculate on it no more

706
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:14,970
and no less than anybody else it's not

707
00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:19,510
an area that I'm qualified to speak on

708
00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:23,080
really speaking of abductions looking at

709
00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:25,179
Budd Hopkins work in the years after he

710
00:33:30,990 --> 00:33:28,539
left us have we learned anything new or

711
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:31,000
defined anything or had to unlearn

712
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:36,610
anything from the results achieved well

713
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:39,510
his his contributions were massive he is

714
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:43,450
in effect the first person to really

715
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:46,929
codify and bring forward the beginnings

716
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,039
of a scientific study of the abduction

717
00:33:55,049 --> 00:33:52,960
phenomenon certainly

718
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,059
I think the most complex and in many

719
00:34:01,159 --> 00:33:58,000
ways the most troubling aspect of UFO

720
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:01,169
studies I would dare say that people

721
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:04,840
like Cathleen Martin and another

722
00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:07,290
brilliant abduction specialist to

723
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,820
Kathleen co-wrote a book with several

724
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:10,720
years back

725
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:13,750
Denis stoner and that book is the alien

726
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:16,149
abduction files and should be in the

727
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,280
library of anybody who is serious about

728
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:21,060
wanting to learn more about this subject

729
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:24,580
I think that they've built on some of

730
00:34:29,970 --> 00:34:26,919
the earlier information I trying to

731
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:29,980
remember I think Kathleen is also head

732
00:34:36,329 --> 00:34:33,790
of abduction studies for MUFON so yes

733
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:36,339
the Gracie look yeah a great deal of

734
00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:41,230
data comes to her and for me she is

735
00:34:47,579 --> 00:34:43,540
about the top person in the field

736
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:47,589
internationally right now and I think

737
00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:49,830
she would be able to give you

738
00:34:56,579 --> 00:34:52,929
considerably more detailed information

739
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:56,589
on what has come forward what what new

740
00:35:03,089 --> 00:34:58,810
information has been added to that

741
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:03,099
database or what aspects of discoveries

742
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:06,250
based on the piling pioneering work of

743
00:35:11,339 --> 00:35:08,710
people like Bud and dr. John Mack and a

744
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:11,349
handful of others should tell you of

745
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:12,790
course the Kathleen has been on the

746
00:35:17,339 --> 00:35:15,160
power cast and we know her she is a

747
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:17,349
gracious woman and we've had some very

748
00:35:22,349 --> 00:35:19,510
enjoyable sessions with her she comes on

749
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:22,359
like once a year and we do catch up with

750
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:24,520
her about that now correct me if I'm

751
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,900
wrong I'm trying to remember we had

752
00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:28,480
Denise stoner on to I'm not sure if

753
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:31,060
she's the woman who shared an abduction

754
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:34,990
experience with somebody else aboard a

755
00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:37,150
spaceship and then meets that person in

756
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:42,520
real life is that one well there are

757
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:44,530
quite a lot of people that fall into

758
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:47,080
that category different parts that need

759
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:49,060
surgery they didn't share they didn't

760
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,640
you know together happen to have the

761
00:35:55,050 --> 00:35:53,200
experience they separately have the

762
00:35:58,050 --> 00:35:55,060
experience ended up in the same place

763
00:36:02,640 --> 00:35:58,060
and then met after the experience was

764
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:02,650
over I I can't speak with certainty of

765
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:05,470
Denise's experience I she hasn't shared

766
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:05,980
them all

767
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:08,470
me although we spent a week together

768
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:12,730
with Kathleen last year at Kathleen and

769
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:15,100
her husband Charlie's home in Florida

770
00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:18,190
and it was one of the most memorable

771
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:21,580
weeks I've had in years I think she may

772
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:23,310
have had an experience like that but

773
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:25,630
Denise makes no bones about the fact

774
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:29,590
that the fact that she is an abduction

775
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:32,350
researcher was not something that she

776
00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:34,390
arrived at because of intellectual

777
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:37,000
curiosity these kinds of experiences

778
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:39,670
have happened to her repeatedly since

779
00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:43,810
she was young so that may well be part

780
00:36:50,190 --> 00:36:47,140
of her history we've got more to come

781
00:37:01,740 --> 00:36:50,200
with Peter Robbins I'm Jean Steinberg

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you're in the para cast thank you for

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we have our computers but you don't know

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people left on the planet probably who

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still has a dumb phone although I'll

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have to cave sooner or later but yeah my

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computer and you know social networking

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and chasing things down on the internet

899
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have become part of the routine of

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almost all of us one way or another what

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is it's for business pleasure our own

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personal obsession the thing that I

903
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:24,210
think is so interesting is when we

904
00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:27,450
remember if we can remember when this

905
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was brand new in our lives and the most

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00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:32,610
exotic thing imaginable like our first

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you know hearing about cell phones for

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the first time often of an incredible

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00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:40,620
luxury remember the first computers that

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were available to regular consumers were

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extremely expensive my sister Helen was

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the first person I knew who had a you

913
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:52,200
know home computer and I think it cost

914
00:42:55,850 --> 00:42:53,790
about as much as a Volkswagen at the

915
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:55,860
time Volkswagens were also a lot cheaper

916
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:00,180
at the time but how quickly these things

917
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:03,330
that were one step away from a dream a

918
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:06,150
DVD you know who would have imagined

919
00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:09,180
then become so routine and so mundane

920
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that they fall to the back of our mind

921
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:13,830
and you know our charming old technology

922
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:18,330
and a fairly quick piece of time my

923
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:21,210
first home Macintosh computer I go to

924
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:24,600
Apple Macintosh a color display big hard

925
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:25,460
drive

926
00:43:37,890 --> 00:43:32,690
printer the cheaper one not the more

927
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:37,900
expensive one and this was probably 1989

928
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:39,369
$14,500

929
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,900
gone right I'll put things in

930
00:43:46,510 --> 00:43:43,760
perspective you mentioned the cheap car

931
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:46,520
like the cheapest Volkswagen today is a

932
00:43:51,579 --> 00:43:48,650
Jetta they sell for about seventeen

933
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:51,589
thousand but because Volkswagen had the

934
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:54,410
diesel engine problem they kind of

935
00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:56,510
discount for fifteen thousand so you can

936
00:44:01,329 --> 00:43:59,180
buy the cheapest cars nowadays or

937
00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:01,339
fourteen or fifteen thousand and the

938
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:03,470
average car is thirty-three thousand

939
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:05,000
five hundred dollars but remember that

940
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:07,670
was a cheap Mac if you had gotten

941
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:10,010
something like what they call Macintosh

942
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:12,200
- and all this other stuff you could

943
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:14,900
bring that price up to twenty or thirty

944
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,260
thousand this was 1989 we get you a

945
00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:21,520
luxury car get you a mercedes-benz

946
00:44:27,070 --> 00:44:24,380
amazing I actually as long as we're kind

947
00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:27,080
of on this nostalgia tangent I remember

948
00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:30,280
many years ago when my father who was a

949
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:33,740
small independent businessman came home

950
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:35,900
from work with this piece of technology

951
00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:38,690
that might have been from Star Trek as

952
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:41,260
far as we were concerned it was a

953
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handheld device from Texas Instruments

954
00:44:51,339 --> 00:44:48,130
and it was a digital battery-operated

955
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,349
calculator that in his office they were

956
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:53,359
using the same technology they were

957
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:55,160
probably using it the same at the turn

958
00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:57,170
of the century like everybody where you

959
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,630
punch in the numbers and then you pull a

960
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:01,760
crank and then you punch in more numbers

961
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:04,460
etc and it only costs four hundred

962
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:06,530
dollars you can pick the same thing up

963
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:08,810
now for you know two ninety-eight in any

964
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,390
discount store technology out dates

965
00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:13,520
itself every 18 months or so from what I

966
00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:17,180
understand in many areas and again we

967
00:45:21,329 --> 00:45:19,220
blithely go along and take it all for

968
00:45:24,190 --> 00:45:21,339
granted in a way one great

969
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:24,200
electromagnetic pulse or a tiny little

970
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:27,530
nuclear war or a major you know solar

971
00:45:33,579 --> 00:45:30,650
flare has the potential to knock out a

972
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:33,589
lot of what we now see is essential

973
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:37,119
digital communication business

974
00:45:40,809 --> 00:45:39,380
record-keeping technology

975
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:40,819
I have friends that laugh at me because

976
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:43,490
I'm looking at it right now because they

977
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:46,609
know I still have an address book with

978
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:49,220
addresses and phone numbers written in

979
00:45:55,690 --> 00:45:52,910
in ink to back up you know my digital

980
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:55,700
files not that I'll be able to use it

981
00:46:00,700 --> 00:45:58,490
very much if everything goes down and we

982
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:00,710
lose the post office or whatever but

983
00:46:06,249 --> 00:46:03,529
there's nothing wrong with having a

984
00:46:08,859 --> 00:46:06,259
certain reliance on older technology to

985
00:46:09,730 --> 00:46:08,869
backup cutting-edge technology and the

986
00:46:13,569 --> 00:46:09,740
problem with cutting-edge technology

987
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:13,579
also is privacy it opens you up to all

988
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,410
sorts of things that maybe you wouldn't

989
00:46:19,809 --> 00:46:17,599
think of if you have a physical piece of

990
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:19,819
paper in your back pocket now mrs.

991
00:46:24,569 --> 00:46:21,710
Steinberg after all these years she

992
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:24,579
still writes me notes on a notepad

993
00:46:28,749 --> 00:46:27,170
getting that notepad is not easy they

994
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:28,759
don't have a Walmart anymore we have to

995
00:46:33,849 --> 00:46:31,250
go to Amazon to buy several of these

996
00:46:35,769 --> 00:46:33,859
books these tiny books these five by

997
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:35,779
seven notes or six by nine or something

998
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:39,200
like that and she has these pens and

999
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:42,049
she's writing the physical note of my

1000
00:46:47,529 --> 00:46:44,900
agenda for that day now she has an iPad

1001
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:47,539
she can enter it send me a note and I

1002
00:46:55,529 --> 00:46:51,529
get reminders on my iPhone about it but

1003
00:46:57,789 --> 00:46:55,539
no she hands me a note mm-hmm I like it

1004
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,799
we'll have to put you two together have

1005
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:00,079
a conversation about the old days

1006
00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:01,970
because this is really it but we also I

1007
00:47:08,859 --> 00:47:05,150
think surrendering a lot of our privacy

1008
00:47:11,319 --> 00:47:08,869
to have instant communications except of

1009
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:11,329
course when the internet is down well no

1010
00:47:17,859 --> 00:47:13,490
question about it the whole thing of

1011
00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:17,869
hacking and of viruses I remember years

1012
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:20,420
ago when I first heard about this creepy

1013
00:47:26,049 --> 00:47:23,210
phenomena called computer viruses and it

1014
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:26,059
took me a while to really grasp the fact

1015
00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:28,250
that there were people with nothing

1016
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:30,980
better to do than screw the rest of us

1017
00:47:38,529 --> 00:47:35,569
up hurt our potential to you know

1018
00:47:40,059 --> 00:47:38,539
communicate or record key and it wasn't

1019
00:47:42,749 --> 00:47:40,069
even at a time that they were getting a

1020
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:42,759
benefit from it just sort of a screw you

1021
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:46,670
kind of look what I can do yeah

1022
00:47:52,690 --> 00:47:49,970
we now know we can all be monitored we

1023
00:47:53,019 --> 00:47:52,700
all are monitored potentially at any

1024
00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:53,029
give

1025
00:47:59,199 --> 00:47:55,549
time no matter how much we think that

1026
00:48:03,729 --> 00:47:59,209
might not be the case it does speak

1027
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,739
about or speak to how in simpler times

1028
00:48:08,859 --> 00:48:06,559
by let's say writing a letter and

1029
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,869
sealing it well and sending it to

1030
00:48:13,959 --> 00:48:11,599
somebody I guess it could be steamed

1031
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:13,969
open in some ways or you know put on a

1032
00:48:19,169 --> 00:48:17,150
light box and photographed and then you

1033
00:48:22,419 --> 00:48:19,179
know sort of reconstructed as you

1034
00:48:24,339 --> 00:48:22,429
unfolded your threefold piece of typing

1035
00:48:25,899 --> 00:48:24,349
paper a lined paper what have you if

1036
00:48:27,969 --> 00:48:25,909
there's a will there's a way

1037
00:48:30,789 --> 00:48:27,979
but yeah big brother is always watching

1038
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:30,799
us all all the time some of us more than

1039
00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:35,209
others now you and I both know fellow by

1040
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:36,799
the name of Jim Mosley who died some

1041
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:39,049
years back and Jim would pull

1042
00:48:45,219 --> 00:48:42,529
interesting stunts he send physical

1043
00:48:48,189 --> 00:48:45,229
letters he never had a computer never

1044
00:48:51,429 --> 00:48:48,199
had a cell phone I remember never had

1045
00:48:53,979 --> 00:48:51,439
voicemail he used a real electric

1046
00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:53,989
typewriter from the 1980s he'd buy a few

1047
00:48:58,659 --> 00:48:56,150
of them to always have it have a

1048
00:49:00,459 --> 00:48:58,669
plentiful supply of ribbons okay so what

1049
00:49:03,429 --> 00:49:00,469
he would do is we send you a letter and

1050
00:49:05,919 --> 00:49:03,439
he put what he called paranoid marks on

1051
00:49:09,699 --> 00:49:05,929
them was a paranoid mark well you have

1052
00:49:12,849 --> 00:49:09,709
two lines going across the flap of the

1053
00:49:15,579 --> 00:49:12,859
envelope but what he would do is he'd

1054
00:49:19,329 --> 00:49:15,589
move the flap a little bit off-center

1055
00:49:21,819 --> 00:49:19,339
and then make the two marks then he move

1056
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,829
them to the right position and then seal

1057
00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:24,319
the envelope so you'd think someone must

1058
00:49:29,229 --> 00:49:26,239
have opened it because the two marks are

1059
00:49:32,229 --> 00:49:29,239
not aligned you know and he called them

1060
00:49:37,059 --> 00:49:32,239
paranoid marks well Jim bless his heart

1061
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:37,069
was besides being a raconteur and a

1062
00:49:44,109 --> 00:49:40,130
commentator and an observer of the UFO

1063
00:49:46,059 --> 00:49:44,119
scene and a bit of a mischief maker he'd

1064
00:49:48,909 --> 00:49:46,069
like to rattle people's cages he had a

1065
00:49:51,849 --> 00:49:48,919
very dry wit and a good sense of humor

1066
00:49:55,569 --> 00:49:51,859
he'd poke fun at anybody he was an equal

1067
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:55,579
opportunity employer at taking the

1068
00:50:01,140 --> 00:49:57,169
mickey out of people as the British say

1069
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:01,150
and you know looked at the whole scene I

1070
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:06,079
think sometimes as the Joker you know so

1071
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:06,740
to say

1072
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:09,800
in the pack I I liked Jim he was a real

1073
00:50:15,339 --> 00:50:12,380
character and we have very few people

1074
00:50:18,250 --> 00:50:15,349
like him anymore or if at all he was my

1075
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:18,260
first employer ah the saucer schmear yes

1076
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:20,540
before saucer smear there was saucer

1077
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:23,900
news and he had office in the mid-60s at

1078
00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:27,170
303 Fifth Avenue now to give you a

1079
00:50:33,790 --> 00:50:30,200
perspective how generous Jim was in the

1080
00:50:36,339 --> 00:50:33,800
mid-60s it ages me the minimum wage was

1081
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:36,349
a dollar fifty an hour today if the

1082
00:50:42,490 --> 00:50:38,150
minimum wage had kept up with inflation

1083
00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:42,500
be $19 an hour I was getting $5 an hour

1084
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:45,560
which is like getting like $65 an hour

1085
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:50,180
now imagine that yeah I'm in the wrong

1086
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:54,250
business he was a nice guy also then

1087
00:51:00,339 --> 00:50:56,990
seriously one of the things that

1088
00:51:03,820 --> 00:51:00,349
fascinated me about Jim given how he

1089
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grew up and his family life was that he

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came through things as a very positive

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spirit and somebody who did no harm was

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a character but his father Oswald Mosley

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as I recall was a major player in the

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American fascist Nazi movement leading

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up to World War two let's go more into

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that into Jim's father tell you some

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stories about that too yeah more to come

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with peter robbins investigative

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reporter studying ufos a more I'm Jean

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thank you for listening to GCN

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here's James Steinberg okay just to

1155
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,829
correct the name Major General George

1156
00:54:30,819 --> 00:54:28,160
Van Horne Moseley hi he was also big

1157
00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:30,829
muckety-muck in the US Army and I guess

1158
00:54:36,220 --> 00:54:33,230
after he was involved in the fascist

1159
00:54:39,729 --> 00:54:36,230
movement he was anti-semitic this guy

1160
00:54:41,859 --> 00:54:39,739
heavily so and he probably was drummed

1161
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:41,869
out of whatever position he had in the

1162
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:42,950
government during the Roosevelt

1163
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:46,220
administration but I saw letters that

1164
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:49,970
his dad had written to his mom Jim's mom

1165
00:54:55,989 --> 00:54:52,910
died when he was 19 years old and so he

1166
00:54:58,779 --> 00:54:55,999
lived on his trust fund so these letters

1167
00:55:01,180 --> 00:54:58,789
suggested that Jim being the black sheep

1168
00:55:05,229 --> 00:55:01,190
of the family they wanted to send him to

1169
00:55:07,329 --> 00:55:05,239
military boarding school hmm okay cuz

1170
00:55:09,579 --> 00:55:07,339
straighten him out you know his dad's an

1171
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,589
old military guy straighten this guy out

1172
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:11,359
it never happened

1173
00:55:16,359 --> 00:55:13,849
but you can see the kind of attitude is

1174
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,369
dead took but he lived with his mom

1175
00:55:23,529 --> 00:55:18,319
I get the impression he and his father

1176
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:23,539
may have come to terms later in life but

1177
00:55:27,009 --> 00:55:26,210
they surely did not get along yeah early

1178
00:55:30,999 --> 00:55:27,019
days um

1179
00:55:33,309 --> 00:55:31,009
again major event that I remember his

1180
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:33,319
father being involved in from my

1181
00:55:41,489 --> 00:55:36,230
readings of New York City history is

1182
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:41,499
that he was the main player at a huge

1183
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:45,650
pro-nazi rally in the years before World

1184
00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:48,049
War two at a very packed Madison Square

1185
00:55:53,769 --> 00:55:51,700
Garden at the time and you know

1186
00:55:56,739 --> 00:55:53,779
obviously people of his ilk

1187
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:56,749
either backed away or left the public

1188
00:56:02,680 --> 00:55:59,950
stage once we went to war and

1189
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:02,690
anti-fascism became the cause of the

1190
00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:05,450
United States and Jim was so totally

1191
00:56:11,049 --> 00:56:07,940
unlike that he embraced those no and he

1192
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:11,059
liked everyone he was kind and funny and

1193
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:14,690
humble and you know like making people

1194
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:17,690
laugh I used to get irregular letters

1195
00:56:21,690 --> 00:56:19,380
from him

1196
00:56:24,289 --> 00:56:21,700
postcards were the things that I got

1197
00:56:27,329 --> 00:56:24,299
from him most with just a line or two

1198
00:56:30,690 --> 00:56:27,339
all calculated you know to make you

1199
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:30,700
smile and there is something really

1200
00:56:36,210 --> 00:56:33,910
rather old-fashioned in a very nice way

1201
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:36,220
about people who don't take themselves

1202
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:38,650
too seriously and are willing to have a

1203
00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:40,569
little fun at their own expense rather

1204
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:43,900
than other people's expense every once

1205
00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:46,210
in a while the saucer smear really would

1206
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:48,849
come down on somebody in the field but

1207
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:51,490
more often than not it was you know kind

1208
00:56:58,859 --> 00:56:55,230
of a UFO gossipy sort of publication and

1209
00:57:01,470 --> 00:56:58,869
very homemade-looking and most of us

1210
00:57:03,210 --> 00:57:01,480
really I've still got a file full of

1211
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:03,220
them that I haven't looked at in years

1212
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:05,470
but I I don't think there was anybody

1213
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:06,970
else quite like him

1214
00:57:12,029 --> 00:57:10,000
certainly not in in ufology or the early

1215
00:57:14,249 --> 00:57:12,039
days that I'm aware of we were

1216
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:14,259
remembering Jim Mosely let's move on to

1217
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:16,750
some other topics here Peter it's been a

1218
00:57:20,579 --> 00:57:18,130
while since you've been on so I want to

1219
00:57:22,109 --> 00:57:20,589
catch up on things in your liner notes

1220
00:57:24,059 --> 00:57:22,119
that you sent me suggesting what we

1221
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:24,069
might talk about you mentioned the

1222
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:27,730
origins of the UFO ridicule factor

1223
00:57:33,630 --> 00:57:29,710
something that you've investigated and

1224
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:33,640
that really takes us back to what 1947

1225
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:36,670
mmm-hmm you know they had specs before

1226
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:37,450
your eyes

1227
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:42,130
I guess among other things yeah I I

1228
00:57:47,819 --> 00:57:44,950
think most people that become interested

1229
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:47,829
in the subject of UFOs sooner or later

1230
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:52,529
do start to wonder about how this

1231
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:56,710
otherwise simple question I saw

1232
00:58:02,220 --> 00:57:58,690
something in the sky that I couldn't

1233
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:02,230
identify became wired up in the Western

1234
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:05,529
and the world mindset with gee you must

1235
00:58:14,099 --> 00:58:09,900
be a mystic or a liar or a faker or

1236
00:58:16,259 --> 00:58:14,109
you're looking to become famous or one

1237
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:16,269
of my favorites that Philip Glass came

1238
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,750
up with a desire to feel special it's so

1239
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,720
counterintuitive it makes no sense at

1240
00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:25,599
all and it was a thought that came and

1241
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,400
went for me for years and at a certain

1242
00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:30,160
point some years back I started to think

1243
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:31,960
about what

1244
00:58:37,470 --> 00:58:35,230
was it really how did it happen what set

1245
00:58:42,329 --> 00:58:37,480
it in motion well probably the summer of

1246
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:42,339
1947 certainly set in motion but how did

1247
00:58:48,359 --> 00:58:45,310
it come to pass that the American people

1248
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:48,369
than the Western world and arguably most

1249
00:58:54,690 --> 00:58:51,250
of world culture at this point a good

1250
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,700
part of it still has it wired up that

1251
00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:57,520
haha flying saucers and little green men

1252
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:02,040
and my serious interest in the subject

1253
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:07,210
began in the 1980s and I ended up

1254
00:59:15,050 --> 00:59:11,770
spending a lot of time back then in the

1255
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:15,060
New York Times newspaper morgue the

1256
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:18,880
location where they kept all of the data

1257
00:59:23,250 --> 00:59:21,250
on every issue of the New York Times

1258
00:59:26,550 --> 00:59:23,260
that had ever been published this is in

1259
00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:26,560
midtown Manhattan and an annex of it was

1260
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:28,750
at the main branch library on 42nd

1261
00:59:37,710 --> 00:59:32,940
Street the way that you found articles

1262
00:59:40,530 --> 00:59:37,720
because certainly in 1947 the Times was

1263
00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:40,540
without question the most influential

1264
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:44,800
newspaper in the United States and in

1265
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:48,130
terms of alternate media there wasn't a

1266
00:59:53,180 --> 00:59:51,280
lot of competition you had NBC News

1267
00:59:56,579 --> 00:59:53,190
under David Sarnoff

1268
00:59:59,099 --> 00:59:56,589
CBS News these were radio of course no

1269
01:00:03,270 --> 00:59:59,109
television yet other major newspaper

1270
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:03,280
families the Copley family in Boston the

1271
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:05,410
Hearst syndicate also controlling

1272
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,089
hundreds of papers in the United States

1273
01:00:13,050 --> 01:00:10,240
in San Francisco and a small clique of

1274
01:00:15,630 --> 01:00:13,060
individuals and I thought let's see what

1275
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:15,640
the times history is of this maybe I can

1276
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:18,310
draw a bead on it by seeing how one

1277
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:20,710
major essentially powerful then you

1278
01:00:28,410 --> 01:00:23,770
cover the subject and you would go

1279
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:28,420
through these huge really large pebble

1280
01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:31,270
covered Ledger's and everything was

1281
01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:33,220
cross-referenced with index numbers

1282
01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:35,560
there were certain terms that were go-to

1283
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,070
terms first it was still almost ten

1284
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:41,680
years before the term unidentified

1285
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:44,230
flying object or UFO would be used so

1286
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:46,890
and didn't bother with that

1287
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:50,770
unidentified aerial disks unidentified

1288
01:00:57,930 --> 01:00:56,730
aerial phenomena in spaceships and

1289
01:01:01,650 --> 01:00:57,940
extraterrestrials

1290
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,660
I found out fairly quickly that because

1291
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:03,780
of an absence of any reference to

1292
01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:06,880
spaceships were extraterrestrials and

1293
01:01:14,580 --> 01:01:11,800
the New York Times indexes in 1947 which

1294
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,590
I found very curious at first until I

1295
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:17,920
stumbled on a reference references to

1296
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:20,290
these words at the time the words didn't

1297
01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:22,350
exist they were always two words

1298
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:25,660
extra-terrestrial and space ships and

1299
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:28,210
you would then copy out reference

1300
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:31,000
numbers from their earliest articles

1301
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:34,030
editorials letters to the editor photo

1302
01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:35,290
captions what-have-you

1303
01:01:42,180 --> 01:01:39,640
bring them to the librarian who would

1304
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:42,190
then give you a role of microfiche like

1305
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:43,960
that some of us are old enough to have

1306
01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:48,010
you know done review research subjects

1307
01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:51,400
and the high school or whatever and you

1308
01:01:55,830 --> 01:01:53,590
would find the article and then you'd

1309
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:55,840
put a coin in and you'd print it out and

1310
01:02:01,980 --> 01:01:59,170
I began to build a database that way

1311
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:01,990
other projects took over and when I went

1312
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:03,990
back to the subject in the 90s

1313
01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:07,090
everything had been digitized so it was

1314
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:10,870
quicker to locate the articles and other

1315
01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:13,570
pieces of information at the same time

1316
01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:16,660
because they were digitized when you

1317
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:18,760
blew them up and printed them out they

1318
01:02:23,850 --> 01:02:21,970
often pixelated so I actually relied a

1319
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:23,860
certain amount on the digital files

1320
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:27,310
anyway and I ended up with I don't know

1321
01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:30,430
like 220 separate pieces of information

1322
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:33,820
from front page articles to a tiny

1323
01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:36,160
little piece on you know page 23 or

1324
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:38,500
whatever and I put them in order gene

1325
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:41,710
and I read them beginning to end and

1326
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,930
then I read them again and then I read

1327
01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:46,240
them again I I knew what I was looking

1328
01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:49,630
for and being that my training was as an

1329
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:52,750
artist as used to looking out of the box

1330
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:56,530
rather than in it and I knew there must

1331
01:02:58,850 --> 01:02:58,450
be a pattern where there was a chance of

1332
01:03:00,980 --> 01:02:58,860
a path

1333
01:03:02,990 --> 01:03:00,990
but if I could deduce it maybe I could

1334
01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:03,000
come to a conclusion and there was a

1335
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:06,840
pattern which was I would say to this

1336
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:09,930
day it's affected being very kind to the

1337
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:12,960
New York Times in excess of 95% of their

1338
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:19,740
UFO related coverage a pattern where an

1339
01:03:27,290 --> 01:03:22,430
event or a sighting is described and

1340
01:03:30,820 --> 01:03:27,300
then an authority and for the first

1341
01:03:34,810 --> 01:03:30,830
years the authorities were quoted as

1342
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:34,820
astronomers mental health professionals

1343
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:38,220
scientists the names were never given it

1344
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:40,890
was just an authority in the area of

1345
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:44,370
psychology has said and we'll go into

1346
01:03:50,350 --> 01:03:47,310
more of this ridicule factor with Peter

1347
01:04:00,050 --> 01:03:50,360
Robbins and Jean Steinberg you're in the

1348
01:04:01,820 --> 01:04:00,060
para caste attack of the rock ODEs has

1349
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:01,830
been well received by critics and

1350
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:03,570
readers alike it's a thrill a minute

1351
01:04:09,050 --> 01:04:06,690
story you'll never forget a former US

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the new york times the old gray lady is

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the ones referred to the times now it's

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radio show out there also digitized

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peter robbins tell us more about the new

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york times so they're quoting so-called

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experts people with titles yeah also

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editorial decisions were made that were

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reflected in the coverage or lack of

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coverage one could say the same about

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any major stories breaking in any major

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01:09:34,419 --> 01:09:30,409
newsroom or news venue and the times

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chose not to even begin to cover the

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subject not

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beginning with the Kenneth Arnold

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sightings in Washington State on June

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24th of 1947 which preceded Roswell by a

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week and a half but the initial reports

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of a crash a unidentified craft possibly

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from parts unknown in the vicinity of

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the town of Roswell New Mexico they

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didn't cover these stories where almost

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every other newspaper in the country was

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and they began their coverage not

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without some irony on July 4th 1947 with

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an article that the Pentagon had solved

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the brief mystery of this report of a

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crash of something from who knows where

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in New Mexico and that it was just a

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weather balloon and that a certain

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01:10:31,540 --> 01:10:29,510
military officer had confused fragments

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:31,550
of the weather balloon with you know

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01:10:35,620 --> 01:10:32,530
something else

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01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:35,630
almost every article that they then

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01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:37,910
published and they were frantically

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01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:41,240
publishing articles every day for months

1507
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:44,510
or every few days for months was filled

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01:10:51,940 --> 01:10:49,490
with sarcasm condescension innuendo the

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01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:51,950
worst kind of pseudoscience phony

1510
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:54,320
explanations that would make your eyes

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01:11:00,280 --> 01:10:57,920
roll but they kept clubbing away at it

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:00,290
and the New York Times is the New York

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01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:03,170
Times and now it is certainly still an

1514
01:11:07,570 --> 01:11:05,510
influential newspaper but there's a lot

1515
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:07,580
more news sources most of them

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01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:10,130
problematic to put it mildly but back

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01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:13,180
then it was again the most powerful

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respected influential newspaper in the

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United States began publishing before

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the Civil War I had thought that in my

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mind that they'd come back on and often

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:28,070
do it and I saw the same type of

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01:11:34,780 --> 01:11:31,970
coverage reflected increasingly in other

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01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,790
major national news venues as should

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note and I think it's a point of real

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interest that local newspapers your

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village or your town newspaper that came

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01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:45,050
out once a week those papers overall

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01:11:50,169 --> 01:11:47,450
treated the subject with respect because

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inevitably they were talking about

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one of their citizens in their town of

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01:11:57,340 --> 01:11:54,830
village who had reported something who

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was somebody people knew and wasn't

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:00,260
doing it to get laughs but because they

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had seen something that you know was in

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the news and that they didn't understand

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01:12:08,290 --> 01:12:06,080
and went to their police department or

1538
01:12:11,169 --> 01:12:08,300
wherever and it had ended up in the

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01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:11,179
local newspaper the ridicule there came

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01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,870
the week after in almost always a letter

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01:12:18,130 --> 01:12:16,640
to the editor that you know Joe Blow

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thought he saw one of those flying

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saucers from Mars but we all know that

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the Army Air Corps is on the case

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01:12:26,919 --> 01:12:24,469
because they tell us that and I read in

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01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:26,929
the New York Times blah blah blah again

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01:12:32,169 --> 01:12:29,780
I I had thought in beginning to ponder

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:32,179
this that they just kept up the silly

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01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:36,650
news reports we hit 1952 the Robertson

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panel report which was a four day

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01:12:46,979 --> 01:12:43,909
meeting of a CIA Committee which first

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discussed the idea of a two pronged

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educational program education and

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01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:53,179
debunking and for anybody that really

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likes language and the origin of words

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and things I know that a 19th century

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01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:00,530
term for saying you know that's just

1558
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:02,570
silly or that's nonsense is that's a lot

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01:13:08,620 --> 01:13:05,570
of bunk but I think the first time I

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01:13:12,340 --> 01:13:08,630
have ever come upon the use of the word

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:12,350
debunk in any publication or in any

1562
01:13:18,459 --> 01:13:15,050
reference is in the Robertson panel

1563
01:13:20,260 --> 01:13:18,469
report in 1952 and then things just went

1564
01:13:20,979 --> 01:13:20,270
on and you know people just assumed it

1565
01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:20,989
was nonsense

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well the brainwashing program the

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reprogramming program the intimidation

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01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,110
the ridicule that was immediately drawn

1569
01:13:37,540 --> 01:13:35,360
as a parallel to the subject if you

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think they're real then you're crazy or

1571
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:39,350
delusional or you want to feel special

1572
01:13:45,850 --> 01:13:42,320
or it was all done before the end of the

1573
01:13:48,990 --> 01:13:45,860
summer of 1947 it was done and it was

1574
01:13:53,709 --> 01:13:49,000
reflected in other publications no

1575
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:53,719
newspaper no magazine Time Life Newsweek

1576
01:14:00,490 --> 01:13:56,780
did a serious study on wait a minute

1577
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,500
what is this about in 1947 if it

1578
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,719
happened it never saw the light of day

1579
01:14:06,020 --> 01:14:04,320
because

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01:14:09,170 --> 01:14:06,030
researchers like myself would have come

1581
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:09,180
upon something it was simply wired up in

1582
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:11,250
the American consciousness then the

1583
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:13,489
Western consciousness that this is

1584
01:14:18,620 --> 01:14:16,110
nonsense and if you want to be the

1585
01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:18,630
subject of ridicule take it seriously

1586
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:21,030
and let people know that set me to

1587
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:24,900
starting to think about why major news

1588
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:28,320
organizations made up of people not like

1589
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,540
me who is a self trained investigative

1590
01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:32,640
writer but went to journalism school

1591
01:14:37,970 --> 01:14:35,580
they wanted to be reporters they wanted

1592
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,980
to be journalists it was in their blood

1593
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:40,320
the search for the truth to get an

1594
01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:42,690
answer to a big question to uncover a

1595
01:14:46,190 --> 01:14:44,760
cover-up that was the thing that drove

1596
01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:46,200
these people or should have been driving

1597
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:50,460
them how is it that none of them took it

1598
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:52,590
upon themselves to go contrary to

1599
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,280
everybody else and it made me begin to

1600
01:15:02,150 --> 01:14:59,040
just apply the best deductive reasoning

1601
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:02,160
critical thinking regular logic that I

1602
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:05,610
could I don't have proof that I could

1603
01:15:11,979 --> 01:15:09,090
present as such but more and more it

1604
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:11,989
became the only answer for me that

1605
01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:15,210
publishers in one way or another let

1606
01:15:20,420 --> 01:15:18,120
their editors know that they should let

1607
01:15:23,150 --> 01:15:20,430
their reporters know that this was a

1608
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:23,160
subject that should not be taken

1609
01:15:27,170 --> 01:15:24,090
seriously

1610
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:27,180
it should not be covered as though there

1611
01:15:32,210 --> 01:15:29,340
was a real chance that these things

1612
01:15:34,990 --> 01:15:32,220
might in fact be what some of us feel

1613
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:35,000
they are objects from parts unknown in

1614
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:37,770
unimaginably high technology under the

1615
01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:40,800
control of other intelligences from who

1616
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:43,350
knows where why would they do that this

1617
01:15:48,170 --> 01:15:45,930
was a great story well maybe they were

1618
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:48,180
asked to do it who would have had the

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clout to ask them and make it happen I

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deduce that there were individuals

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within the Truman administration very

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highly placed individuals and only a

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handful in a small pool of people that

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had President Truman's absolute trust

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who may have made day trips or overnight

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trips from Washington to New York or

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Boston or San Francisco and sat down

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with owners and publishers who in

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themselves these were the

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who controlled the media and I say men

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as there were no women involved these

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were the men who controlled what

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Americans thought what they read and

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what they assumed about the world around

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them let's go into this this

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manipulation of the media in our next

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segment with Peter Robbins Chris O'Brien

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doesn't have the internet and he can't

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use smoke signals

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we have Peter Robbins I'm gene

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio we're joined by Peter

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01:21:29,229 --> 01:21:27,289
Robin this kind of play catch up on a

1750
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:29,239
lot of topics as I mentioned earlier in

1751
01:21:34,949 --> 01:21:31,090
the episode in case you're wondering

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Rendlesham is off the table we do have a

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thread at our forums at the para cast

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our power cast forms that formed off the

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para cast comm it's entitled ask Peter

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Robbins there was a 28 page document you

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can download and get his statement what

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01:21:53,099 --> 01:21:50,659
he was telling us in the previous

1759
01:21:54,609 --> 01:21:53,109
segment is that the government

1760
01:21:57,069 --> 01:21:54,619
representatives of the Truman

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01:22:01,029 --> 01:21:57,079
administration went down to the

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publishers of major newspapers and they

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said don't take ufos seriously I said

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that's what I deduce that's what I think

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that's what I believe and that's really

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different than saying that it happened

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it's what you believe happened yeah I

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can't think of anything else and this is

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something that I've been working on on

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01:22:27,149 --> 01:22:23,570
and off and looking at from any number

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01:22:30,389 --> 01:22:27,159
of angles for years now the thought that

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01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:30,399
the biggest story of all time

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01:22:35,709 --> 01:22:33,050
potentially breaks on the American

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01:22:38,259 --> 01:22:35,719
public in two years after the end of

1775
01:22:41,799 --> 01:22:38,269
World War two not even quite in the

1776
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Japanese theater and nobody in the

1777
01:22:47,109 --> 01:22:44,629
American media is interested in even

1778
01:22:50,049 --> 01:22:47,119
beginning to take it seriously it

1779
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:50,059
doesn't make sense it's completely

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01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:53,340
counterintuitive especially in the world

1781
01:23:00,530 --> 01:22:57,120
of career journalists working for the

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01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:00,540
biggest newspapers and radio venues in

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01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:03,210
America at the time and then quickly

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01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:07,650
reflected overseas so what could have

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01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:10,980
caused it to backtrack slightly as an

1786
01:23:16,340 --> 01:23:14,130
investigator one of my inspirations some

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01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:16,350
people may find kind of corny it goes

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01:23:20,210 --> 01:23:18,060
back to when I was probably 11 or 12

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01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:20,220
years old and I was a kid that loved

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movies I enjoyed all of the old late 30s

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early 40s until about 44 so Sherlock

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Holmes films that came out of the UK

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01:23:38,540 --> 01:23:34,710
starring the great British actor Basil

1794
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Rathbone as Holmes and as his doctor

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Watson a wonderful old character actor

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01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:43,770
named Nigel Bruce it got me to starting

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to read Arthur Conan Doyle's wonderful

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books on this great character that he

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invented named Sherlock Holmes who was a

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as everybody knows a private detective

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01:24:00,920 --> 01:23:58,140
who applied what he called deductive

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01:24:03,260 --> 01:24:00,930
reasoning to problem-solving and one of

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01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:03,270
the aspects of deductive reasoning that

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really appealed to me is a very nerdy

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geeky kid was if you are confronted with

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the mystery you don't begin by

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01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:14,900
investigating the most exotic

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01:24:23,870 --> 01:24:20,190
otherworldly sexy and wild possibility

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01:24:26,410 --> 01:24:23,880
you begin by looking and investigating

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01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:26,420
as fully as you can the most mundane

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01:24:33,620 --> 01:24:30,630
boring very likely everyday possibility

1812
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:33,630
you give it a very fair shot if it does

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01:24:40,130 --> 01:24:36,930
not pan out then you take one simple

1814
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:40,140
step up to the second most boring

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01:24:47,150 --> 01:24:44,250
mundane this is probably an explainable

1816
01:24:51,010 --> 01:24:47,160
possibility if you continue to work in

1817
01:24:54,260 --> 01:24:51,020
that manner and you exhaust all of those

1818
01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:54,270
conventional possibilities then things

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01:25:00,980 --> 01:24:57,150
begin to get interesting and then you're

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01:25:03,950 --> 01:25:00,990
involved in work that may actually lead

1821
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:03,960
you to some very exciting possible

1822
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:06,690
conclusions it's time-consuming to do

1823
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:07,170
that

1824
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,390
the way I've work and I really tried to

1825
01:25:19,850 --> 01:25:14,880
wrap my head around any possibilities

1826
01:25:22,370 --> 01:25:19,860
that would let me understand why every

1827
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:22,380
journalist in America and chose not to

1828
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:25,860
cover in a serious manner through the

1829
01:25:33,140 --> 01:25:29,730
40s into the 50s in good part into the

1830
01:25:35,419 --> 01:25:33,150
60s in the 70s we had you know a couple

1831
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:35,429
of television breakthroughs but even

1832
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:38,070
they were hardly heavyweight and you

1833
01:25:42,350 --> 01:25:39,510
know here we are in this crazy world

1834
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:42,360
where now with the internet a lot of

1835
01:25:46,729 --> 01:25:44,280
serious interest has grown up around

1836
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:46,739
this subject but a lot of it pretty

1837
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:49,370
species and uncorroborated

1838
01:25:59,000 --> 01:25:55,410
very far out so again I was left with

1839
01:26:03,229 --> 01:25:59,010
trying to think about as a student of

1840
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:03,239
American history America in 1947 we were

1841
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:06,090
in fact the country that many of us

1842
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:08,850
dream and wish we were now we had helped

1843
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:10,910
make the world safe for democracy

1844
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:13,710
without our participation in World War

1845
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:14,370
two

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01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:16,620
we might be speaking German and Japanese

1847
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,620
now as would a good part of the rest of

1848
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:21,840
the world and this is the way it would

1849
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:23,730
have happened we had the Marshall Plan

1850
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:26,310
in place an absolutely radical idea

1851
01:26:34,820 --> 01:26:31,170
where we were taking our money to help

1852
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:34,830
our enemies rebuild civil peaceful

1853
01:26:39,410 --> 01:26:36,780
societies and if you look at the

1854
01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:39,420
histories of Germany and Japan since

1855
01:26:44,510 --> 01:26:42,060
World War two in fact it was a brilliant

1856
01:26:46,910 --> 01:26:44,520
success so much so that they have beat

1857
01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:46,920
the pants off us in great part at

1858
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:49,590
different points over the decades in

1859
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:52,170
terms of economics and the like but

1860
01:26:59,660 --> 01:26:54,810
neither one of them has ever started a

1861
01:27:03,410 --> 01:26:59,670
war or you know gone rogue or you know

1862
01:27:06,729 --> 01:27:03,420
gone back to their militaristic roots so

1863
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:06,739
we had the nuclear bomb the summer of

1864
01:27:13,850 --> 01:27:11,040
1947 was the summer that the whole idea

1865
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:13,860
of containment to use the phrase that

1866
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:17,280
was the one being used at the time and

1867
01:27:23,420 --> 01:27:20,880
developed by a political scientist

1868
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:23,430
named George Kennan and published in an

1869
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:26,130
article in fact this month seventy years

1870
01:27:30,230 --> 01:27:29,250
ago in a foreign affairs magazine called

1871
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,240
on containment

1872
01:27:36,170 --> 01:27:32,880
it was Kenan who came up with the idea

1873
01:27:39,860 --> 01:27:36,180
that the Soviets were obviously the next

1874
01:27:42,740 --> 01:27:39,870
big threat the Nazis the militaristic

1875
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:42,750
Japanese were defeated but Stalin and

1876
01:27:49,190 --> 01:27:46,490
the Soviets wanted us dead dead dead as

1877
01:27:52,820 --> 01:27:49,200
Robert DeNiro says wonderfully

1878
01:27:56,380 --> 01:27:52,830
overacting in the Untouchables as Al

1879
01:27:59,630 --> 01:27:56,390
Capone and we took it seriously and

1880
01:28:04,850 --> 01:27:59,640
Kenan was the one who said if we can

1881
01:28:08,090 --> 01:28:04,860
contain the Soviets to the borders that

1882
01:28:10,180 --> 01:28:08,100
they expanded too into Eastern Europe

1883
01:28:13,850 --> 01:28:10,190
and the like at the end of World War two

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01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:13,860
we may be able to avoid a hot or a

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01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:17,450
shooting war and have a cold or a

1886
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:21,090
stalemate kind of war the word cold war

1887
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:24,330
emerged then and there and I think it's

1888
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:26,370
interesting to note as a footnote here

1889
01:28:33,620 --> 01:28:30,000
that the official beginnings of the Cold

1890
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War per se date from the exact moment in

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history that the modern age of UFO

1892
01:28:40,940 --> 01:28:38,430
sightings begins I think that is genuine

1893
01:28:42,710 --> 01:28:40,950
coincidence and not some Machiavellian

1894
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:42,720
scheme or something but that's my own

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01:28:53,630 --> 01:28:49,920
opinion and there was concern that panic

1896
01:28:57,230 --> 01:28:53,640
might ensue if we felt citizens of this

1897
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,240
country that these UFOs have not called

1898
01:29:02,630 --> 01:28:59,280
that but flying saucers flying disks

1899
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:02,640
might be you know advanced Soviet

1900
01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:05,730
technology that would be very unnerving

1901
01:29:12,260 --> 01:29:08,640
we still see references back in some of

1902
01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:12,270
those old documents to dear old Orson

1903
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Welles and the Mercury theaters

1904
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production of War of the Worlds which is

1905
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still worth listening to and the excuse

1906
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:22,050
that was trotted out regularly when it

1907
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was necessary of the potential of panic

1908
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that people couldn't handle it in and

1909
01:29:31,380 --> 01:29:29,760
one wonders about that now relative to

1910
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:31,390
disclosure

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most of us and I say that to people in

1912
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your audience that have studied the

1913
01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:38,010
subject taking it seriously

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01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:40,270
processes for a long time yeah we're

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ready we think for the announcement to

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be made

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most of our brothers and sisters are not

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and we represent a fairly modest

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percentage of people in the world but I

1920
01:29:59,280 --> 01:29:54,940
can only theorize Jean but I think it's

1921
01:30:01,950 --> 01:29:59,290
it holds water that several individuals

1922
01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:01,960
close to Harry Truman it might have

1923
01:30:08,580 --> 01:30:06,270
included Vannevar Bush probably the most

1924
01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:08,590
extraordinarily interesting and

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influential individual that most

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Americans have never heard of mj-12

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number one President Roosevelt's

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technology and science advisor who then

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went on to become President Truman's

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Science and Technology advisor with

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credits that you wouldn't believe if you

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go to a period copy of who's who from

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the late 40s he fills up two and a half

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pages of small print let's continue Sir

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Peter Robbins Jean Steinberg you're in

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okay you're looking at these early

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01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:24,330
figures connected with the Truman

2045
01:35:29,419 --> 01:35:26,730
administration who may have been part of

2046
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,429
this and I'll use major Kehoe's term

2047
01:35:34,660 --> 01:35:31,920
silence group but do you believe there

2048
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,670
was an mj-12 or that those documents

2049
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:36,719
were faked

2050
01:35:41,660 --> 01:35:39,030
even if maybe they had some resemblance

2051
01:35:43,550 --> 01:35:41,670
to something factual yeah well that's a

2052
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,560
great question if you don't mind let me

2053
01:35:46,939 --> 01:35:45,360
get to that in about two minutes

2054
01:35:49,820 --> 01:35:46,949
I think that Bush would have been a

2055
01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:49,830
likely candidate I think that the man

2056
01:35:57,410 --> 01:35:54,360
who was in the process of building our

2057
01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:57,420
Defense Department after dismantling our

2058
01:36:03,339 --> 01:36:00,060
old War Department at the request of

2059
01:36:06,530 --> 01:36:03,349
President Truman James Vinson Forrestal

2060
01:36:09,410 --> 01:36:06,540
might have been one of the individuals

2061
01:36:12,589 --> 01:36:09,420
or might have been the person I tend to

2062
01:36:15,859 --> 01:36:12,599
feel that it was a man named Sidney

2063
01:36:19,370 --> 01:36:15,869
sours who was a ranking Admiral during

2064
01:36:22,660 --> 01:36:19,380
World War two and for the full Truman

2065
01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:22,670
administration was Truman's number one

2066
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:25,980
intelligence advisor he was also the

2067
01:36:31,700 --> 01:36:29,310
first director of the CIA and it might

2068
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:31,710
have got as simple as this that one of

2069
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:34,050
these individuals made an appointment to

2070
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:36,449
see somebody like David Sarnoff of NBC

2071
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:40,050
or William Randolph Hearst or whomever

2072
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,239
was whichever brother was in charge of

2073
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the copley empire or whoever the owner

2074
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:48,270
of the the Times was at the time kept

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01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:50,610
mother that was with the oxer CIL's

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burger and at that meeting it could have

2077
01:36:59,089 --> 01:36:56,670
gone one of two ways essentially saying

2078
01:37:00,890 --> 01:36:59,099
obviously you're in a position to be

2079
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:00,900
very aware of all these reports coming

2080
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:03,840
in of this unusual aerial phenomena you

2081
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:05,580
know there really isn't anything to it

2082
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,340
it's war jitters people are jumpy we've

2083
01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:11,040
been testing some v2 rockets if you have

2084
01:37:14,689 --> 01:37:13,560
to know President of course understands

2085
01:37:17,140 --> 01:37:14,699
that you know you'll keep this to

2086
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:17,150
yourself and we are concerned about

2087
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:20,610
panic we're dealing with a very touchy

2088
01:37:25,609 --> 01:37:23,130
complex moment in our relationship with

2089
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:25,619
the Soviets and people at the highest

2090
01:37:30,169 --> 01:37:27,090
levels would consider it a personal

2091
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:30,179
favor if you would instruct your editors

2092
01:37:34,339 --> 01:37:32,249
to instruct your room

2093
01:37:37,029 --> 01:37:34,349
to play this down in every way and you

2094
01:37:40,069 --> 01:37:37,039
know what have a little fun with it or

2095
01:37:43,339 --> 01:37:40,079
possibly is likely because these

2096
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individuals who own these major media

2097
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venues they were all multimillionaires

2098
01:37:50,060 --> 01:37:48,449
the equivalent of billionaires now they

2099
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probably all thought of themselves as

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old-fashioned patriots and very likely

2101
01:37:58,250 --> 01:37:55,019
some of the more that they might have

2102
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been told a version of the truth and it

2103
01:38:04,029 --> 01:38:00,570
might have been saying the president or

2104
01:38:06,649 --> 01:38:04,039
not naming the president in any way to

2105
01:38:09,469 --> 01:38:06,659
preserve what we call plausible denial

2106
01:38:11,689 --> 01:38:09,479
should the story blow up and become an

2107
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:11,699
embarrassment to the administration that

2108
01:38:16,219 --> 01:38:14,249
in fact there might be something to the

2109
01:38:19,459 --> 01:38:16,229
possibility that these were not from

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01:38:22,779 --> 01:38:19,469
here and it was very important that the

2111
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:22,789
public absolutely not think that way and

2112
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:26,489
then the pattern continued your question

2113
01:38:35,689 --> 01:38:32,729
about mj-12 in 1987 this story broke

2114
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:35,699
within the UFO research community a few

2115
01:38:40,609 --> 01:38:38,249
individuals have been brought into this

2116
01:38:43,759 --> 01:38:40,619
subject a few years earlier I think

2117
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:43,769
about 1984 but for most of us it was

2118
01:38:48,979 --> 01:38:46,260
brand-new news and possibly very

2119
01:38:51,409 --> 01:38:48,989
exciting break that there had been this

2120
01:38:54,139 --> 01:38:51,419
highly secret working group in the

2121
01:38:56,540 --> 01:38:54,149
Truman administration that may well have

2122
01:38:58,969 --> 01:38:56,550
gone on under the same name or different

2123
01:39:02,000 --> 01:38:58,979
names and you know incarnated and still

2124
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:02,010
existed as far as being core secret

2125
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:05,129
keepers over the years since the initial

2126
01:39:11,859 --> 01:39:08,729
eight-page so-called Eisenhower briefing

2127
01:39:15,790 --> 01:39:11,869
document and the one-page attachment

2128
01:39:20,989 --> 01:39:15,800
Truman's letter to secretary Forrestal

2129
01:39:24,290 --> 01:39:20,999
emerged that summer of 87 hundreds of

2130
01:39:28,069 --> 01:39:24,300
other documents have surfaced alleging

2131
01:39:31,819 --> 01:39:28,079
to also have been generated from this

2132
01:39:34,339 --> 01:39:31,829
majestic 12 working group after my own

2133
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:34,349
independent study reading everything

2134
01:39:40,459 --> 01:39:37,199
that I could honor by people who are I

2135
01:39:42,589 --> 01:39:40,469
thought in much more experienced

2136
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:42,599
scholars than I was people like Stanton

2137
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:45,449
Friedman and the like I came to feel and

2138
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:45,840
ice

2139
01:39:52,130 --> 01:39:48,570
feel that initial release those nine

2140
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:52,140
pages are in fact authentic it sent me

2141
01:39:56,900 --> 01:39:54,480
off on my own little quest and maybe I

2142
01:39:59,660 --> 01:39:56,910
have friends or colleagues out there who

2143
01:40:02,690 --> 01:39:59,670
are old enough that they had similar

2144
01:40:04,850 --> 01:40:02,700
experiences to figure out for myself

2145
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,860
every way that I could if these twelve

2146
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,960
individuals would have been the people

2147
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:08,880
to choose if they might have known each

2148
01:40:13,940 --> 01:40:11,520
other if they you know were high enough

2149
01:40:15,890 --> 01:40:13,950
within their specialty areas of

2150
01:40:17,060 --> 01:40:15,900
expertise that they would have been the

2151
01:40:19,580 --> 01:40:17,070
ones that the president would have

2152
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:19,590
chosen for this working group to study

2153
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:22,410
the situation and hopefully come to some

2154
01:40:27,950 --> 01:40:25,290
decision about it however I have really

2155
01:40:30,170 --> 01:40:27,960
mixed feelings about so much of the

2156
01:40:32,110 --> 01:40:30,180
other material that's followed Stanton

2157
01:40:34,220 --> 01:40:32,120
Friedman has this wonderful phrase of

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01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:34,230
things that he's not sure about going

2159
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:39,210
his gray box I am convinced that there

2160
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:43,110
was a group called majestic 12 that was

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01:40:48,380 --> 01:40:45,810
set up under President Truman whether or

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01:40:51,050 --> 01:40:48,390
not it has continued to follow a certain

2163
01:40:55,070 --> 01:40:51,060
bloodline so to say and is still in

2164
01:40:57,710 --> 01:40:55,080
existence or you know was outdated some

2165
01:41:00,280 --> 01:40:57,720
time back and its responsibilities taken

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01:41:02,690 --> 01:41:00,290
over by various working groups within

2167
01:41:05,690 --> 01:41:02,700
various agencies is pure speculation

2168
01:41:07,580 --> 01:41:05,700
that much I do take seriously now you

2169
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:07,590
know of course that people like Kevin

2170
01:41:12,410 --> 01:41:09,930
Randall we spent a lot of time in the

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01:41:15,110 --> 01:41:12,420
military and also spent 30 years

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01:41:17,180 --> 01:41:15,120
studying Roswell he looked very

2173
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:17,190
carefully at mj-12 and said there are

2174
01:41:21,290 --> 01:41:19,290
too many inconsistencies here and other

2175
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:21,300
people agree this doesn't mean there

2176
01:41:27,710 --> 01:41:24,570
wasn't something there but mj-12 as a

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01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:27,720
document could be disinformation to

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01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:30,240
cloud what really went on oh you're

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01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:32,790
absolutely right it could be however

2180
01:41:38,270 --> 01:41:36,480
somebody who I feel again is every bit

2181
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:38,280
as qualified to evaluate that

2182
01:41:44,420 --> 01:41:41,370
information who feels that on that

2183
01:41:47,090 --> 01:41:44,430
initial group of documents that initial

2184
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:47,100
document and the attached page namely

2185
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:49,890
Stanton Friedman says no there are too

2186
01:41:56,060 --> 01:41:53,130
many consistencies to look at it as

2187
01:41:59,149 --> 01:41:56,070
fraudulent the material that followed is

2188
01:42:01,399 --> 01:41:59,159
another question but I would have to

2189
01:42:05,719 --> 01:42:01,409
agree to disagree with my colleague

2190
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:05,729
Kevin on that and take the position that

2191
01:42:10,609 --> 01:42:08,130
stan has I think very well established

2192
01:42:11,509 --> 01:42:10,619
in his writings and research about it

2193
01:42:14,299 --> 01:42:11,519
who knows

2194
01:42:16,879 --> 01:42:14,309
sure looking over the way the publishers

2195
01:42:18,830 --> 01:42:16,889
reacted right after World War two there

2196
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:18,840
were patriotic Americans they believe

2197
01:42:23,209 --> 01:42:21,030
what the government told them so if they

2198
01:42:25,250 --> 01:42:23,219
gave him the right story I could see

2199
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:25,260
where it might happen but I think today

2200
01:42:31,129 --> 01:42:28,800
if any recent administration had gone to

2201
01:42:34,969 --> 01:42:31,139
say Jeff Zucker the president of CNN

2202
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:34,979
said hey as a patriotic American here's

2203
01:42:39,709 --> 01:42:37,650
what's going on and we rather you not

2204
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:39,719
make a big deal of it that would

2205
01:42:44,899 --> 01:42:42,239
probably be on CNN by Anderson Cooper

2206
01:42:46,250 --> 01:42:44,909
the next evening right well yeah we live

2207
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:46,260
in a very different world now

2208
01:42:52,459 --> 01:42:50,400
it's almost charming to think that back

2209
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:52,469
in the day when John Kennedy was

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01:42:57,919 --> 01:42:55,260
president and doing some major

2211
01:43:01,520 --> 01:42:57,929
womanizing in part at the White House

2212
01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:01,530
the press corps that were on to him and

2213
01:43:05,029 --> 01:43:02,820
there were certainly members

2214
01:43:08,750 --> 01:43:05,039
distinguished members of the press corps

2215
01:43:11,839 --> 01:43:08,760
who understood that he was involved with

2216
01:43:14,109 --> 01:43:11,849
other women worked to keep it secret to

2217
01:43:18,799 --> 01:43:14,119
protect the office of the President and

2218
01:43:22,219 --> 01:43:18,809
that time is long past it's everybody

2219
01:43:24,949 --> 01:43:22,229
for themselves now and you know TMZ and

2220
01:43:28,580 --> 01:43:24,959
lets get that photo of you know this

2221
01:43:32,020 --> 01:43:28,590
star with this politician or whatever

2222
01:43:35,739 --> 01:43:32,030
it's all about making money and

2223
01:43:38,779 --> 01:43:35,749
sensationalism and a tabloid mindset and

2224
01:43:40,850 --> 01:43:38,789
our society is the worst for it as far

2225
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:40,860
as I'm concerned so you think in this

2226
01:43:45,500 --> 01:43:42,570
day and age maybe a lot of choices

2227
01:43:47,540 --> 01:43:45,510
people made in terms of who might become

2228
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:47,550
president wouldn't that have happened

2229
01:43:52,759 --> 01:43:49,530
certainly what happened to Bill Clinton

2230
01:43:55,419 --> 01:43:52,769
in the 90s and he doesn't seem to have

2231
01:43:58,729 --> 01:43:55,429
been near as big a player as JFK was

2232
01:44:01,549 --> 01:43:58,739
correct if we had the same sensibility

2233
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:01,559
in the 90s you'd never hear from it you

2234
01:44:05,919 --> 01:44:03,570
never hear about it okay whatever the

2235
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:05,929
person is doing he's another adult he

2236
01:44:12,350 --> 01:44:09,090
carries on certainly Newt Gingrich who

2237
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:12,360
is Speaker of the House and he was

2238
01:44:16,939 --> 01:44:15,840
the ringleaders of this impeachment he

2239
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:16,949
was doing the same thing with his

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01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:20,159
secretary worse he when his wife got

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01:44:27,620 --> 01:44:23,639
cancer he was cheating on her with his

2242
01:44:30,379 --> 01:44:27,630
next wife and so on I you know in the

2243
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:30,389
the levels of hypocrisy on both sides of

2244
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,290
the aisle are legend at this point and

2245
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:36,239
most of us have so had it up to here

2246
01:44:42,109 --> 01:44:39,570
with all of these do nothing characters

2247
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:42,119
in Washington who sit on their butts and

2248
01:44:50,930 --> 01:44:45,840
collect their paychecks and refuse to

2249
01:44:52,819 --> 01:44:50,940
even consider something that up until 15

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01:44:55,129 --> 01:44:52,829
years ago or so was the American Way

2251
01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:55,139
which was find a point of compromise and

2252
01:45:00,169 --> 01:44:57,510
work together even if you are not in

2253
01:45:02,510 --> 01:45:00,179
agreement as opposed to nope real men

2254
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:02,520
don't compromise my way of the highway

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01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:04,679
you know all at the government go bust

2256
01:45:12,319 --> 01:45:07,730
before I concede to my ideological enemy

2257
01:45:14,750 --> 01:45:12,329
politics by politicians is now seen as

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01:45:17,740 --> 01:45:14,760
more important than serving the needs

2259
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:17,750
and the needs of the constituents and

2260
01:45:22,399 --> 01:45:19,650
it's infuriating

2261
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,409
we've got more to come Chris O'Brien is

2262
01:45:25,549 --> 01:45:24,000
waiting for the internet to be turned on

2263
01:45:34,630 --> 01:45:25,559
we've got Peter Robbins and gene

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01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:40,029
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2320
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:15,230
Reagan must be turning over in his grave

2321
01:48:21,190 --> 01:48:17,210
we're not going to get into the deep

2322
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:21,200
dark weeds of politics but we'd have on

2323
01:48:24,250 --> 01:48:23,450
one side Ronald Reagan on the other side

2324
01:48:27,340 --> 01:48:24,260
Tip O'Neill

2325
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:27,350
and they do their thing from opposite

2326
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sides of the spectrum politically and

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01:48:33,970 --> 01:48:32,090
they have a couple of drinks after it

2328
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:33,980
was all over you're absolutely right

2329
01:48:40,270 --> 01:48:36,130
gene and I'll take that one step further

2330
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:40,280
after Teddy Kennedy died and you know I

2331
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,770
can hear people hissing at home who

2332
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:44,960
consider themselves conservatives

2333
01:48:50,110 --> 01:48:46,570
whatever that word means anymore

2334
01:48:53,110 --> 01:48:50,120
arguably Kennedy was emblematic of the

2335
01:48:55,630 --> 01:48:53,120
l-word or progressives in government

2336
01:48:57,580 --> 01:48:55,640
very outspoken very passionate member of

2337
01:49:00,340 --> 01:48:57,590
the legendary Kennedy family blah blah

2338
01:49:02,980 --> 01:49:00,350
blah died of brain cancer that was it

2339
01:49:05,070 --> 01:49:02,990
one of the most enlightening and moving

2340
01:49:08,410 --> 01:49:05,080
interviews I've ever heard on the radio

2341
01:49:10,060 --> 01:49:08,420
was I guess it was the following weekend

2342
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:10,070
I think the show was on a Saturday night

2343
01:49:16,330 --> 01:49:12,970
and it was for a number of years a

2344
01:49:19,300 --> 01:49:16,340
interview public affairs show hosted by

2345
01:49:22,690 --> 01:49:19,310
Ron Reagan Jr who himself was a very

2346
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:22,700
progressive guy is and who loved his dad

2347
01:49:29,650 --> 01:49:25,730
but disagreed him with him politically

2348
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:29,660
in the extreme sometimes and it was I

2349
01:49:34,750 --> 01:49:31,910
thought a really interesting show cuz he

2350
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:34,760
often had guests on from his famous

2351
01:49:40,450 --> 01:49:37,760
parents past you know any number of

2352
01:49:43,390 --> 01:49:40,460
parts of public life the week after

2353
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:43,400
Teddy Kennedy died he had one guest and

2354
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:45,650
the show was an hour too and that guest

2355
01:49:53,260 --> 01:49:50,090
was Nancy Reagan his mother and she

2356
01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:53,270
dropped a bomb on the American public as

2357
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:54,980
far as I was concerned because I

2358
01:49:59,110 --> 01:49:56,960
consider myself you know pretty

2359
01:50:01,540 --> 01:49:59,120
politically aware person is you know

2360
01:50:03,370 --> 01:50:01,550
more than some and less than others but

2361
01:50:06,130 --> 01:50:03,380
this was completely new to me and I have

2362
01:50:08,740 --> 01:50:06,140
to say I found it extremely moving and

2363
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:08,750
very positive they started to chat you

2364
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:08,970
know

2365
01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:12,330
his mother and him and they launched

2366
01:50:16,730 --> 01:50:14,340
into the topic of the night which was

2367
01:50:19,250 --> 01:50:16,740
for most listeners and you know

2368
01:50:21,950 --> 01:50:19,260
observers of political affairs there

2369
01:50:24,350 --> 01:50:21,960
probably were not two people in public

2370
01:50:27,460 --> 01:50:24,360
life at the same time further apart

2371
01:50:30,830 --> 01:50:27,470
ideologically then Ronald Reagan and

2372
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:30,840
Edward Kennedy but she said you know

2373
01:50:35,330 --> 01:50:33,210
Ronnie you know because you grew up in

2374
01:50:38,150 --> 01:50:35,340
the family and you had many

2375
01:50:40,580 --> 01:50:38,160
opportunities to meet Teddy your father

2376
01:50:43,130 --> 01:50:40,590
and him didn't just like each other

2377
01:50:45,650 --> 01:50:43,140
weren't just friends they loved each

2378
01:50:49,370 --> 01:50:45,660
other they would do anything for each

2379
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:49,380
other and that launched into wonderful

2380
01:50:55,460 --> 01:50:51,930
series of stories about things that

2381
01:50:57,770 --> 01:50:55,470
these two extremely famous men who

2382
01:51:00,740 --> 01:50:57,780
publicly were associated with diametric

2383
01:51:02,690 --> 01:51:00,750
opposite of the political spectrum had

2384
01:51:05,210 --> 01:51:02,700
gone out of their way to do for each

2385
01:51:08,180 --> 01:51:05,220
other for each other's families for each

2386
01:51:11,150 --> 01:51:08,190
other's friends selflessly picking up

2387
01:51:14,450 --> 01:51:11,160
the tab on certain things because they

2388
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:14,460
loved each other and at their heart they

2389
01:51:19,460 --> 01:51:16,290
respected each other even though they

2390
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:19,470
agreed to disagree on many very

2391
01:51:24,350 --> 01:51:22,320
important core issues you cite Reagan

2392
01:51:27,530 --> 01:51:24,360
and Tip O'Neill though they were a

2393
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,540
wonderful epitome of a president and a

2394
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker of the House who were

2395
01:51:32,900 --> 01:51:31,170
ideologically opposed to each other but

2396
01:51:35,300 --> 01:51:32,910
understood that their first

2397
01:51:38,300 --> 01:51:35,310
responsibility to the American people

2398
01:51:40,970 --> 01:51:38,310
was not to be responsible first to their

2399
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:40,980
party leadership it was to do everything

2400
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:43,260
they could to make this country as

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01:51:48,650 --> 01:51:46,410
decent a place as they could as livable

2402
01:51:51,550 --> 01:51:48,660
a place and to help as many people as

2403
01:51:54,890 --> 01:51:51,560
possible in the process realistically

2404
01:51:56,780 --> 01:51:54,900
compromise was what was looked up to and

2405
01:51:58,730 --> 01:51:56,790
by people like Jefferson and the other

2406
01:52:01,280 --> 01:51:58,740
founding fathers I think they would all

2407
01:52:04,900 --> 01:52:01,290
be disgusted beyond belief if they saw

2408
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:04,910
the arrogance and this horrible horrible

2409
01:52:12,830 --> 01:52:08,010
the cloud that has settled on our house

2410
01:52:15,140 --> 01:52:12,840
and our Senate these jerks who refuse to

2411
01:52:18,110 --> 01:52:15,150
work together because they see their

2412
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:18,120
first Alliance to the people that donate

2413
01:52:22,330 --> 01:52:20,850
to their campaigns and to their party

2414
01:52:24,430 --> 01:52:22,340
leadership now

2415
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:24,440
to the people who elect them not to the

2416
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:26,239
people they serve and certainly not for

2417
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:28,130
the greater good of the United States of

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01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,280
America and it stinks one final example

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01:52:35,859 --> 01:52:33,199
before we get back to our subject of the

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day and that is Barry Goldwater the

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conservative the conscience of the

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01:52:43,359 --> 01:52:41,480
conservative and George McGovern hmm

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01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:43,369
they were very good friends they go on

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TV together and debate back and forth

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01:52:48,430 --> 01:52:46,489
you bet

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01:52:50,140 --> 01:52:48,440
and that's another example you can't

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01:52:53,470 --> 01:52:50,150
have that today let's just move on with

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our subject so in effect then we have

2429
01:52:58,419 --> 01:52:55,400
this silence group from the US

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01:53:00,970 --> 01:52:58,429
government going to the media and that

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01:53:03,850 --> 01:53:00,980
practice kept on for speculatively

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01:53:05,470 --> 01:53:03,860
again sure speculatively no I'm not

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01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:05,480
saying it's definite we're talking about

2434
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:07,610
a theory it's not that we necessarily

2435
01:53:11,410 --> 01:53:09,199
can prove it but that takes us back to

2436
01:53:14,129 --> 01:53:11,420
disclosure under the Big D word sells

2437
01:53:17,140 --> 01:53:14,139
right now I can see in the early years

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01:53:21,180 --> 01:53:17,150
certainly some UFO sightings were

2439
01:53:24,129 --> 01:53:21,190
probably test aircraft of some kind

2440
01:53:26,379 --> 01:53:24,139
national security other things were

2441
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:26,389
happening they couldn't explain but they

2442
01:53:32,770 --> 01:53:28,610
could use the national security umbrella

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01:53:36,399 --> 01:53:32,780
to get the media to not talk about it

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01:53:38,260 --> 01:53:36,409
you bet so now what's going on today do

2445
01:53:40,570 --> 01:53:38,270
you think there's any one organized in

2446
01:53:42,189 --> 01:53:40,580
the government to do this anymore do you

2447
01:53:45,490 --> 01:53:42,199
think that the media would even care

2448
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:45,500
anymore because it's so pervasive l you

2449
01:53:52,990 --> 01:53:48,170
know good question number one the mania

2450
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:53,000
for secret keeping that arguably really

2451
01:54:02,950 --> 01:53:57,650
kicked into overdrive with Bush Clinton

2452
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:02,960
Obama and to a degree I have no idea

2453
01:54:09,820 --> 01:54:04,610
what's going on in the Trump

2454
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:09,830
administration but under Clinton and W

2455
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:13,520
alone as I recall tens of millions of

2456
01:54:19,570 --> 01:54:17,330
bits of information were classified we

2457
01:54:22,930 --> 01:54:19,580
do truly live in a national security

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01:54:25,689 --> 01:54:22,940
state I happen to see the birth of that

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01:54:29,140 --> 01:54:25,699
national security state that piece of

2460
01:54:30,939 --> 01:54:29,150
sand inside the oyster that had built up

2461
01:54:33,939 --> 01:54:30,949
that calcification around to keep from

2462
01:54:35,770 --> 01:54:33,949
getting irritated was the UFO cover-up

2463
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:35,780
the whole cover-up

2464
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:37,850
the whole national security state the

2465
01:54:45,570 --> 01:54:41,810
whole mania for a a state built on

2466
01:54:49,500 --> 01:54:45,580
secret keeping began the summer of 1947

2467
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:49,510
now how many people do you think now

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01:54:56,110 --> 01:54:53,810
working within the proper offices on the

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01:54:59,650 --> 01:54:56,120
National Archives and various branches

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01:55:02,710 --> 01:54:59,660
of the government are cleared to review

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01:55:04,900 --> 01:55:02,720
material that is right and properly

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01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:04,910
filed or not right and properly filed as

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01:55:10,750 --> 01:55:07,610
a national secret of some level are

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01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:10,760
cleared to even review the material in

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01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:13,040
the National Archives bring it to the

2476
01:55:16,780 --> 01:55:15,050
attention of higher-ups and say I think

2477
01:55:18,900 --> 01:55:16,790
the classification on this should be

2478
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:18,910
reduced or I think that this should be

2479
01:55:27,180 --> 01:55:22,970
unclassified we are so over our head in

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01:55:30,030 --> 01:55:27,190
secrets compared to the people who are

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01:55:33,070 --> 01:55:30,040
charged with the responsibility of

2482
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:33,080
declassification that part of it's over

2483
01:55:42,340 --> 01:55:39,050
I think also the desire to declassify

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01:55:46,090 --> 01:55:42,350
things that inevitably would prove

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01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:46,100
embarrassing to people who are living

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01:55:52,420 --> 01:55:49,310
and people who people in power still

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01:55:54,580 --> 01:55:52,430
revere and could embarrass them because

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01:55:56,830 --> 01:55:54,590
they're the same political party or they

2489
01:56:00,910 --> 01:55:56,840
knew their father or whatever perfect

2490
01:56:05,110 --> 01:56:00,920
example in Truman's day had he had the

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wherewithal had he let's say mj-12 was

2492
01:56:09,940 --> 01:56:08,240
real he went to his 12 guys after six

2493
01:56:12,340 --> 01:56:09,950
months and said you know what we've

2494
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:12,350
studied this damn thing I'm not going to

2495
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:13,610
take your advice that this study

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01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:15,770
committee come on into perpetuity

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01:56:19,780 --> 01:56:17,330
because we don't know it's going to

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happen if I go on the radio and say my

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fellow Americans it's my solemn duty to

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tell you blah blah blah and boy wouldn't

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the world have changed forever right

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then and there if that had happened I

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01:56:33,940 --> 01:56:29,270
can't help thinking maybe for the better

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01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:33,950
but now no president on their own or

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01:56:40,540 --> 01:56:37,850
even with the tacit approval of just

2506
01:56:42,460 --> 01:56:40,550
some other world leaders could do it it

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01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:42,470
would have to be done in a very

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01:56:47,380 --> 01:56:44,570
carefully coordinated way reaching out

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01:56:49,870 --> 01:56:47,390
to the world's religious leaders leaders

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01:56:54,399 --> 01:56:49,880
in the study of maths I

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01:56:55,810 --> 01:56:54,409
ecology militarists people who could say

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01:56:59,260 --> 01:56:55,820
no you can't make that announcement

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because the economy will crash for a

2514
01:57:05,169 --> 01:57:01,400
number of understandable reasons before

2515
01:57:07,629 --> 01:57:05,179
it comes back more to the point if a

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president let's say it could happen

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let's say it was Obama or let's say you

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know tomorrow night

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President Truman Truman huh if only

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President Trump goes on television and

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says my fellow Americans it's my solemn

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duty to inform you that I have learned

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definitively that the earth has been

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visited by intelligences from beyond

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Earth for you know since seventy years

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at least and probably longer and we are

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going to begin the process of

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liked and admired ones that he hated

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ones that were in the same political

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party ones that are different political

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party ones that shared his political

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beliefs others that were endemic to them

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would then become immediately unindicted

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co-conspirators in the greatest

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conspiracy in history some might even

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consider it on a moral level a criminal

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is very small they're not gonna rat each

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they stood ideologically toward each

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other now there's just one little big

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happy family it could never happen

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that way so those like a Steven Bassett

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who are hoping for disclosure yes and

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where he would have to happen by some

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well once again theoretical first I have

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to say there is no person in the entire

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more dedicated to a goal than Stephen

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lauded for it he's a remarkable guy the

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working in small groups to educate and

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inform their fellow citizens that this

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is a serious subject and should be taken

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seriously will that result in a critical

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mass of people in any given national

2685
02:04:23,100 --> 02:04:20,169
population to push their government to

2686
02:04:25,739 --> 02:04:23,110
the point where their government will in

2687
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:25,749
fact declassify the information they

2688
02:04:32,549 --> 02:04:27,010
have on these subjects

2689
02:04:34,919 --> 02:04:32,559
maybe I tend to be kind of circumspect

2690
02:04:37,379 --> 02:04:34,929
on that I don't think it's going to

2691
02:04:40,020 --> 02:04:37,389
happen here certainly we are the country

2692
02:04:44,129 --> 02:04:40,030
where it started we were the one to set

2693
02:04:46,770 --> 02:04:44,139
in motion the national security state

2694
02:04:50,370 --> 02:04:46,780
reaction to this extraordinary secret

2695
02:04:53,759 --> 02:04:50,380
and to admit it I think would be so

2696
02:04:57,359 --> 02:04:53,769
embarrassing to powerful people to the

2697
02:04:59,850 --> 02:04:57,369
legacy of powerful people that no small

2698
02:05:03,029 --> 02:04:59,860
group of individuals who are temporarily

2699
02:05:06,330 --> 02:05:03,039
in power like our current crop of

2700
02:05:10,439 --> 02:05:06,340
elected officials would have the nerve

2701
02:05:12,179 --> 02:05:10,449
or the desire to set it in motion what

2702
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,189
happens if the stock market did crash

2703
02:05:17,129 --> 02:05:14,320
what happens if there was panic in the

2704
02:05:19,979 --> 02:05:17,139
streets what happens if you know people

2705
02:05:20,939 --> 02:05:19,989
started running absolutely wild they're

2706
02:05:25,259 --> 02:05:20,949
not gonna want to take responsibility

2707
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:25,269
for it so why even bother when it comes

2708
02:05:30,379 --> 02:05:28,239
it may well come the same way that the

2709
02:05:33,299 --> 02:05:30,389
Vietnam War sort of busted open and

2710
02:05:37,409 --> 02:05:33,309
turned around and then became a non war

2711
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:37,419
was because Daniel Ellsberg a a very

2712
02:05:41,660 --> 02:05:38,970
distinguished psychiatrist

2713
02:05:45,460 --> 02:05:41,670
released a file that the Pentagon had

2714
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:45,470
kept showing the hypocrisy the lies and

2715
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:50,370
the absolute waste that this war was we

2716
02:05:57,830 --> 02:05:53,040
were propping up an incredibly corrupt

2717
02:06:01,280 --> 02:05:57,840
regime the DMM family in Vietnam and it

2718
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:01,290
was all about power and money and world

2719
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:04,110
influence and not about if we leave

2720
02:06:08,630 --> 02:06:06,810
Vietnam the whole Southeast Asia is

2721
02:06:11,060 --> 02:06:08,640
going to collapse the domino theory so

2722
02:06:12,890 --> 02:06:11,070
to say and you know it will all be

2723
02:06:16,910 --> 02:06:12,900
communist and just you know annex itself

2724
02:06:20,690 --> 02:06:16,920
to China it may come in the form of

2725
02:06:24,140 --> 02:06:20,700
something from a WikiLeaks type thing it

2726
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:24,150
may come from who knows maybe they up

2727
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:27,210
there will get tired of playing footsie

2728
02:06:33,010 --> 02:06:29,970
with us on this and simply make their

2729
02:06:37,300 --> 02:06:33,020
presence known in no uncertain terms I

2730
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:37,310
don't know I see us as a world full of

2731
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:40,290
aware people to one degree or another or

2732
02:06:45,260 --> 02:06:42,690
people who are waking up to the reality

2733
02:06:48,350 --> 02:06:45,270
that we are not alone in the universe

2734
02:06:51,590 --> 02:06:48,360
and that there are implications to

2735
02:06:54,860 --> 02:06:51,600
consider for Humanity to a larger group

2736
02:06:57,470 --> 02:06:54,870
of people many of them as nice and kind

2737
02:07:00,260 --> 02:06:57,480
and well-meaning and public spirited and

2738
02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:00,270
contributing to our societies as we can

2739
02:07:04,700 --> 02:07:02,610
imagine who are sleepwalking their way

2740
02:07:07,610 --> 02:07:04,710
through it because they in quotes know

2741
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:07,620
that it's not true how do they know it

2742
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:10,170
because it can't be therefore it isn't

2743
02:07:13,940 --> 02:07:11,850
therefore it's something else how do I

2744
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:13,950
know that hey you only have to go back

2745
02:07:18,740 --> 02:07:16,230
to read you know all the newspapers

2746
02:07:21,260 --> 02:07:18,750
going back to the 40s everybody knows

2747
02:07:23,570 --> 02:07:21,270
it's not true it's misinterpretations of

2748
02:07:28,010 --> 02:07:23,580
conventional phenomenon to take that a

2749
02:07:31,820 --> 02:07:28,020
step further in 1947 I am convinced that

2750
02:07:34,820 --> 02:07:31,830
a very large percentage if not the great

2751
02:07:37,460 --> 02:07:34,830
great majority of legitimate seemingly

2752
02:07:41,210 --> 02:07:37,470
anomalous UFO sightings may well have

2753
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:41,220
been in that category now I don't know

2754
02:07:47,570 --> 02:07:44,970
we have stuff up in the air that many

2755
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:47,580
folks who don't follow this subject

2756
02:07:51,359 --> 02:07:49,440
would think is still in the realm of

2757
02:07:54,389 --> 02:07:51,369
science fiction

2758
02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:54,399
we human beings are responsible for

2759
02:08:00,989 --> 02:07:56,639
things that could be regarded as

2760
02:08:04,770 --> 02:08:00,999
paranormal to the perceiver I would say

2761
02:08:08,459 --> 02:08:04,780
that a percentage of UFO sightings now

2762
02:08:12,449 --> 02:08:08,469
are certainly truly anomalous UFOs but

2763
02:08:17,250 --> 02:08:12,459
they're harder and harder to discern the

2764
02:08:19,770 --> 02:08:17,260
Mark Dantonio a scientist who is I think

2765
02:08:24,229 --> 02:08:19,780
one of the the finest speakers on the

2766
02:08:26,809 --> 02:08:24,239
UFO circuit who is muffinz chief

2767
02:08:28,829 --> 02:08:26,819
photographic analyst among other things

2768
02:08:31,319 --> 02:08:28,839
brilliant guy and one of the nicest

2769
02:08:32,669 --> 02:08:31,329
people in the field to know he's been on

2770
02:08:35,219 --> 02:08:32,679
the show for a couple of times we've

2771
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:35,229
enjoyed his place yeah Mark's the best

2772
02:08:43,439 --> 02:08:39,010
and you know he's kind of moved into the

2773
02:08:47,009 --> 02:08:43,449
spot that for such a long time was taken

2774
02:08:49,139 --> 02:08:47,019
by the great dr. Bruce Maccabee an

2775
02:08:52,770 --> 02:08:49,149
optical physicist who worked under

2776
02:08:55,290 --> 02:08:52,780
contract for the Navy for decades now

2777
02:08:58,500 --> 02:08:55,300
semi-retired but for decades he was the

2778
02:09:02,790 --> 02:08:58,510
go-to guy on the final word on photo

2779
02:09:08,099 --> 02:09:02,800
analysis again with digital manipulation

2780
02:09:12,059 --> 02:09:08,109
of images and many people who are not

2781
02:09:15,089 --> 02:09:12,069
that rigorous like I used to be in their

2782
02:09:18,299 --> 02:09:15,099
investigative techniques to absolutely

2783
02:09:21,929 --> 02:09:18,309
confirm and chase down real witnesses

2784
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:21,939
the factual nature of a claim attached

2785
02:09:26,489 --> 02:09:24,010
to a photograph or a piece of moving

2786
02:09:30,509 --> 02:09:26,499
footage that purports to be an anomalous

2787
02:09:33,239 --> 02:09:30,519
object in the sky what have you mm-hmm

2788
02:09:34,829 --> 02:09:33,249
it's like the old x-file poster I want

2789
02:09:38,250 --> 02:09:34,839
to believe we live in a world of people

2790
02:09:40,290 --> 02:09:38,260
who want to believe last month when

2791
02:09:42,569 --> 02:09:40,300
Richard Dolan and I were in Athens

2792
02:09:45,239 --> 02:09:42,579
Greece speaking out of scientific

2793
02:09:47,699 --> 02:09:45,249
conference there a colleague of ours we

2794
02:09:50,129 --> 02:09:47,709
this question had come up and I had

2795
02:09:53,129 --> 02:09:50,139
mentioned the wording on that iconic

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02:09:54,949 --> 02:09:53,139
poster and he responded by saying ah I

2797
02:09:59,129 --> 02:09:54,959
don't want to believe I want to no

2798
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that's not the way it is for many people

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02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:01,689
in society they're entertained by this

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02:10:07,890 --> 02:10:05,050
that carried along somebody comes in

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maybe known in public life or who has

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books out or they've seen on television

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02:10:13,830 --> 02:10:11,889
and they make a pronouncements like gosh

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you know that person something about

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Authority their famous anyway so maybe

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it is true that all aliens are friendly

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that's a good point to pick up the final

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two segments with Peter Robbins are

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aliens friendly but let's just talk

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about this first more to come Jean

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Steinberg Peter Robbins are in the para

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[Music]

2914
02:15:00,560 --> 02:14:58,260
this is the wrong Clark author of the

2915
02:15:02,010 --> 02:15:00,570
UFO encyclopedia other books you're

2916
02:15:05,880 --> 02:15:02,020
listening to the podcast

2917
02:15:10,450 --> 02:15:08,350
do you bring up the entertainment factor

2918
02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:10,460
and I wanted to kind of jump on this

2919
02:15:15,820 --> 02:15:13,510
because last week we had Ron James

2920
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:15,830
documentary producer and he's currently

2921
02:15:20,770 --> 02:15:18,320
involved in the project with Ron's great

2922
02:15:23,560 --> 02:15:20,780
yeah and I have fun with him because I

2923
02:15:26,980 --> 02:15:23,570
like him but I disagree with him because

2924
02:15:30,790 --> 02:15:26,990
I think he is more involved than the

2925
02:15:32,140 --> 02:15:30,800
entertainment factor mmm and thus some

2926
02:15:33,580 --> 02:15:32,150
of the people he presents and this is

2927
02:15:37,030 --> 02:15:33,590
the problem I have with Stephen Bassett

2928
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:37,040
two are really less credible than they

2929
02:15:41,740 --> 02:15:38,480
should be and maybe they should be more

2930
02:15:43,390 --> 02:15:41,750
circumspect in what they present and the

2931
02:15:46,300 --> 02:15:43,400
argument I had with that of course with

2932
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:46,310
MUFON and they've got this session now

2933
02:15:52,090 --> 02:15:50,570
with some really wacky speakers on a

2934
02:15:54,280 --> 02:15:52,100
secret space program for the next

2935
02:15:56,680 --> 02:15:54,290
conference which is happening coming up

2936
02:15:58,750 --> 02:15:56,690
probably as many of you are listening to

2937
02:16:02,320 --> 02:15:58,760
this show so that's one thing right

2938
02:16:05,980 --> 02:16:02,330
there so that's an argument there that

2939
02:16:08,500 --> 02:16:05,990
we present UFO information today in the

2940
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most entertaining way possible the TV

2941
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:12,110
reality shows hangar 1 based on MUFON we

2942
02:16:16,780 --> 02:16:14,960
have these people who are entertainers

2943
02:16:19,390 --> 02:16:16,790
and maybe they have some interesting

2944
02:16:22,270 --> 02:16:19,400
information but more than likely that

2945
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:22,280
might be just making it up and that's a

2946
02:16:27,400 --> 02:16:24,770
problem because we are showing people

2947
02:16:29,740 --> 02:16:27,410
today to the UFO mystery is not an

2948
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amazing scientific mystery that may

2949
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change the world if we get down to the

2950
02:16:40,180 --> 02:16:36,680
truth of it it is entertainment well let

2951
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:40,190
me jump in and just run back to the

2952
02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:42,650
beginning of this segment and say before

2953
02:16:47,010 --> 02:16:43,850
you throw out the baby with the

2954
02:16:49,870 --> 02:16:47,020
bathwater Ron who is an outstanding

2955
02:16:52,420 --> 02:16:49,880
producer and yes of course most of his

2956
02:16:54,820 --> 02:16:52,430
work is in the entertainment business he

2957
02:16:57,240 --> 02:16:54,830
was instrumental in the production of

2958
02:17:00,280 --> 02:16:57,250
what I think is one of the finest

2959
02:17:02,770 --> 02:17:00,290
credible scientifically backed and

2960
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:02,780
methodically produced documentaries

2961
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,110
relative to any UFO subject and that is

2962
02:17:10,660 --> 02:17:08,800
Travis the true story of Travis Walton

2963
02:17:13,140 --> 02:17:10,670
executive producer

2964
02:17:16,300 --> 02:17:13,150
Jennifer Stein it is a feature-length

2965
02:17:17,230 --> 02:17:16,310
documentary that came out I guess about

2966
02:17:20,620 --> 02:17:17,240
a year and a half

2967
02:17:22,330 --> 02:17:20,630
now and has won gosh maybe even longer

2968
02:17:25,330 --> 02:17:22,340
now maybe it's even two and a half years

2969
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:25,340
I think it is has won any number of

2970
02:17:30,100 --> 02:17:27,200
major Film Festival awards and minor

2971
02:17:32,350 --> 02:17:30,110
Film Festival Awards without Ron I don't

2972
02:17:34,840 --> 02:17:32,360
know if it would have been quite as good

2973
02:17:39,790 --> 02:17:34,850
as it is however you're right

2974
02:17:41,950 --> 02:17:39,800
the subject is been not commandeered but

2975
02:17:44,820 --> 02:17:41,960
in terms of the media the media is

2976
02:17:50,650 --> 02:17:44,830
primarily the moving media television

2977
02:17:54,460 --> 02:17:50,660
certainly and cable and it's its progeny

2978
02:17:59,290 --> 02:17:54,470
is about entertainment and so much of

2979
02:18:03,250 --> 02:17:59,300
what passes for UFO information sources

2980
02:18:05,890 --> 02:18:03,260
now in the visual media comes under the

2981
02:18:08,920 --> 02:18:05,900
caveat to a degree of entertainment a

2982
02:18:13,300 --> 02:18:08,930
good example for me is the tremendous

2983
02:18:16,180 --> 02:18:13,310
popularity and success of the program by

2984
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:16,190
my old friend Giorgio of ancient aliens

2985
02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:20,690
I think that when they started it was

2986
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:24,410
galvanizing if you accept that we are

2987
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:26,450
not alone and that there are the

2988
02:18:31,360 --> 02:18:28,850
intelligences that come and go based on

2989
02:18:34,300 --> 02:18:31,370
the historical record it is a bit naive

2990
02:18:38,170 --> 02:18:34,310
to think it just kicked in in 1947 it

2991
02:18:40,630 --> 02:18:38,180
does go back millennium however after X

2992
02:18:46,060 --> 02:18:40,640
number of episodes and X number of

2993
02:18:48,730 --> 02:18:46,070
seasons to find fully authentic cases

2994
02:18:52,920 --> 02:18:48,740
that you know I set the bar pretty high

2995
02:18:56,100 --> 02:18:52,930
for myself but in entertainment /

2996
02:18:59,800 --> 02:18:56,110
education it's a little bit more

2997
02:19:02,530 --> 02:18:59,810
variable I think that every season that

2998
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:02,540
passes we are asked to take more and

2999
02:19:10,540 --> 02:19:07,010
more leaps of faith if a photograph is

3000
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:10,550
presented or were on location somewhere

3001
02:19:17,320 --> 02:19:14,240
in a remote part of Australia and we're

3002
02:19:19,330 --> 02:19:17,330
looking at an Aboriginal cave painting

3003
02:19:22,810 --> 02:19:19,340
you know that's thirty thousand years

3004
02:19:25,660 --> 02:19:22,820
old of what's obviously a human face

3005
02:19:29,560 --> 02:19:25,670
with very large black eyes and lines

3006
02:19:31,540 --> 02:19:29,570
radiating out of the head some because

3007
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you've got to have content

3008
02:19:37,860 --> 02:19:34,790
and you want ratings and you want people

3009
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to believe I want to believe not

3010
02:19:44,830 --> 02:19:41,000
necessarily it's the truth but we know

3011
02:19:48,190 --> 02:19:44,840
that it's it's truthy that some might

3012
02:19:50,170 --> 02:19:48,200
say aliens of course look at the large

3013
02:19:52,750 --> 02:19:50,180
black eyes look at the lines of energy

3014
02:19:54,370 --> 02:19:52,760
rating radiating out of their head my

3015
02:19:57,790 --> 02:19:54,380
first thought would be hmm

3016
02:20:01,570 --> 02:19:57,800
charcoal rubbed onto the area around the

3017
02:20:05,380 --> 02:20:01,580
eyes and a simple armature of a stick

3018
02:20:07,300 --> 02:20:05,390
that is green with other sticks coming

3019
02:20:09,849 --> 02:20:07,310
out of it for some ceremonial purpose

3020
02:20:12,580 --> 02:20:09,859
and that's it

3021
02:20:15,130 --> 02:20:12,590
it's not a reference to ancient aliens

3022
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:15,140
it's a reference to an ancient being who

3023
02:20:19,780 --> 02:20:16,970
lived that might have been involved in a

3024
02:20:23,370 --> 02:20:19,790
ceremony involving a headdress of sticks

3025
02:20:26,770 --> 02:20:23,380
with charcoal rubbed around their eyes

3026
02:20:31,059 --> 02:20:26,780
is a wonderful old phrase that I heard

3027
02:20:35,170 --> 02:20:31,069
Judge Judy use a variation on some years

3028
02:20:37,870 --> 02:20:35,180
ago and a particularly idiotic alleged

3029
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perpetrator appeared before her in court

3030
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and her response was don't pee on my leg

3031
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and tell me it's raining you know use

3032
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your common sense use your critical

3033
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thinking yes this is a subject that now

3034
02:20:58,120 --> 02:20:55,880
more or less is dominated by elements

3035
02:21:00,730 --> 02:20:58,130
within the entertainment industry in

3036
02:21:03,940 --> 02:21:00,740
part working with legitimate scholars

3037
02:21:09,219 --> 02:21:03,950
and qualified researchers to produce a

3038
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product to sell time to get ratings to

3039
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get producers other jobs as they move

3040
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forward in their careers to get people

3041
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like me who do bloody little of that

3042
02:21:23,980 --> 02:21:20,300
because I'm not asked you know another

3043
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couple of minutes on television cool so

3044
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it's it's kind of a monster that feeds

3045
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itself not that it's necessarily bad in

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that for many people who now have begun

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to really take the subject of other

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intelligences and high technology from

3049
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parts unknown visiting us and not haha

3050
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flying saucers and little green man

3051
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they have cut their teeth on these shows

3052
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:48,620
and now go to conferences and read the

3053
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books listen to shows like the para cast

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and educate themselves and tell their

3055
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friends about it too so again it is a

3056
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double-edged sword you know speaking of

3057
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entertainment there is a published

3058
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report that Robert Zemeckis is producing

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a new TV show called Blue Book and it

3060
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sci-fi it fiction Eliza's Project Blue

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Book and their investigations in the 50s

3062
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and 60s and it follows the lead

3063
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character named dr. J Alan Hynek and I

3064
02:22:32,980 --> 02:22:29,000
sure hope his family's getting a lot of

3065
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money to use his likeness story here we

3066
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had the gentleman who wrote this

3067
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biography of Hynek and he revealed that

3068
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in his participation in the movie Close

3069
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Encounters of the Third Kind dr. Hynek

3070
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sure okay

3071
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he played himself in a cameo at the end

3072
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right and contributed something as a

3073
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technical adviser you know how much

3074
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money he earned no $3,500 Hollywood then

3075
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again no hit TV shows like the Rockford

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Files with James Garner I'm for a number

3077
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of years in syndication oh he was

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supposed to share the profits but of

3079
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course the production company said there

3080
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were none they were losing money all

3081
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right

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well one can hope that his daughter

3083
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James Garner was a heck of an actor and

3084
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from everything I understand a really

3085
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nice guy and played a very key role in

3086
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the film fire in the sky about the

3087
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Travis Walton incident a film that we

3088
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all know has certain flaws but has some

3089
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real strengths as well and he played

3090
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sheriff Gillespie the chief law

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enforcement officer examining this one

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can only hope that his daughter who is

3093
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alive and well is getting royalties that

3094
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her father was due on the

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broadcasts of that great old period show

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from the seventies one can only hope but

3097
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this is Hollywood so they you know look

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Hawaii five-o decided not to play pay

3099
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the Asian actors as much as the white

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two actors of Korean descent and God I

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Achilles yeah this really is we've got

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more to come and it's not gonna be about

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the entertainment industry that would be

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the other show whatever that is with

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bunker koji CND at 30 percent off your

3214
02:28:58,240 --> 02:28:47,260
order Midas resources calm or find us on

3215
02:29:02,920 --> 02:29:01,120
this is Robert Hastings author of UFOs

3216
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:02,930
and nukes and you're listening to the

3217
02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:05,600
podcast the gold standard of paranormal

3218
02:29:14,980 --> 02:29:13,520
radio so we have Peter Robbins joining

3219
02:29:16,810 --> 02:29:14,990
us and we're doing a lot of catch up

3220
02:29:19,150 --> 02:29:16,820
here on different things and before I

3221
02:29:22,210 --> 02:29:19,160
get into one final subject before we let

3222
02:29:25,060 --> 02:29:22,220
him leave out there with Elvis leave the

3223
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:25,070
building okay all this old pop culture

3224
02:29:28,930 --> 02:29:26,720
stuff we should do a pop culture show

3225
02:29:30,940 --> 02:29:28,940
maybe someday we do that sometimes on my

3226
02:29:32,440 --> 02:29:30,950
other show the tech night now live where

3227
02:29:34,480 --> 02:29:32,450
I'm very much into comic books and

3228
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:34,490
superheroes and we talked about that

3229
02:29:40,450 --> 02:29:37,520
with a guy named Jeff gamut in any case

3230
02:29:43,270 --> 02:29:40,460
let's just progress here all right so we

3231
02:29:45,850 --> 02:29:43,280
have UFOs and the entertainment factor

3232
02:29:49,090 --> 02:29:45,860
we have these reality shows that aren't

3233
02:29:51,070 --> 02:29:49,100
really documentaries per se they're all

3234
02:29:52,510 --> 02:29:51,080
about entertainment and maybe the

3235
02:29:55,540 --> 02:29:52,520
information is largely

3236
02:29:58,030 --> 02:29:55,550
where these partially accurate but does

3237
02:30:01,690 --> 02:29:58,040
that hurt getting the truth out there

3238
02:30:04,060 --> 02:30:01,700
whatever that truth is by being immersed

3239
02:30:06,610 --> 02:30:04,070
in some form of entertainment I guess

3240
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:06,620
that's a case-by-case question I think

3241
02:30:11,980 --> 02:30:09,290
the term reality show for me is one of

3242
02:30:15,130 --> 02:30:11,990
the great oxymorons of our time and

3243
02:30:18,220 --> 02:30:15,140
they're anything but as a rule what

3244
02:30:21,160 --> 02:30:18,230
passes for reality is total scripted

3245
02:30:24,900 --> 02:30:21,170
hype with real people untrained actors

3246
02:30:28,300 --> 02:30:24,910
the genesis of reality shows is MTV's

3247
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:28,310
which was the first venue to produce a

3248
02:30:32,380 --> 02:30:31,010
reality show and I'm blanking on the

3249
02:30:33,940 --> 02:30:32,390
name of the show but it was a bunch of

3250
02:30:36,490 --> 02:30:33,950
college kids living in the same house

3251
02:30:39,220 --> 02:30:36,500
and being filmed having you know their

3252
02:30:42,700 --> 02:30:39,230
ups and downs together it was an awful

3253
02:30:45,430 --> 02:30:42,710
lot cheaper to produce an hour or a half

3254
02:30:47,470 --> 02:30:45,440
an hour segment than it was to do you

3255
02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:47,480
know a segment of law and order where

3256
02:30:52,270 --> 02:30:50,210
you are paying real actors to play by

3257
02:30:54,190 --> 02:30:52,280
real scripts written by talented

3258
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:54,200
screenwriters played out in real

3259
02:30:59,470 --> 02:30:55,250
locations

3260
02:31:00,700 --> 02:30:59,480
you know Union rules rule I I think it's

3261
02:31:03,490 --> 02:31:00,710
it's really been one of the most

3262
02:31:06,190 --> 02:31:03,500
destructive things to our culture on a

3263
02:31:09,910 --> 02:31:06,200
certain level and be that as it may I

3264
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:09,920
think there are some good shows with UFO

3265
02:31:14,660 --> 02:31:12,090
themes that draw upon

3266
02:31:18,260 --> 02:31:14,670
people in the work who were trying to do

3267
02:31:21,219 --> 02:31:18,270
good work and it sometimes is captured

3268
02:31:25,429 --> 02:31:21,229
by the producers of a show hopefully

3269
02:31:27,230 --> 02:31:25,439
more of that happens because they made

3270
02:31:29,750 --> 02:31:27,240
some money on it and gee we don't have

3271
02:31:33,170 --> 02:31:29,760
to dumb this thing down we can do a

3272
02:31:36,200 --> 02:31:33,180
quality show here with real people that

3273
02:31:39,950 --> 02:31:36,210
have earned the right to speak to the

3274
02:31:43,370 --> 02:31:39,960
public from locations and let's try to

3275
02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:43,380
elevate the dialogue rather than make it

3276
02:31:47,719 --> 02:31:45,090
more and more cartoon like a more

3277
02:31:50,540 --> 02:31:47,729
sensational ugly that seems to be the

3278
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:50,550
way the media continues to drift with

3279
02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:54,000
very little to anchor it to a more noble

3280
02:31:59,120 --> 02:31:57,120
or more intelligent place in the

3281
02:32:01,580 --> 02:31:59,130
universe let me just throw out this

3282
02:32:05,570 --> 02:32:01,590
full-circle comment and you might not

3283
02:32:08,030 --> 02:32:05,580
know dr. J Allen Hynek son Jill Hynek is

3284
02:32:10,700 --> 02:32:08,040
an academy award-winning special effects

3285
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:10,710
artist who's worked on sci-fi films I

3286
02:32:15,110 --> 02:32:13,050
had no idea what dreams may come

3287
02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:15,120
remember that film with Robin Williams

3288
02:32:20,450 --> 02:32:18,450
oh sure spectacular special effects

3289
02:32:24,950 --> 02:32:20,460
that's what he won the Oscar for he also

3290
02:32:27,620 --> 02:32:24,960
did the predator films huh no to me full

3291
02:32:30,830 --> 02:32:27,630
circle figure okay our final few minutes

3292
02:32:32,900 --> 02:32:30,840
here let's bring this back here all this

3293
02:32:36,020 --> 02:32:32,910
stuff going on around us this history at

3294
02:32:38,810 --> 02:32:36,030
the UFO feel the silence group all these

3295
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:38,820
things are the things that are involved

3296
02:32:44,660 --> 02:32:42,170
abductions and sightings and possibly

3297
02:32:46,990 --> 02:32:44,670
reflecting the UFO story more as

3298
02:32:51,560 --> 02:32:47,000
entertainment than as factual material

3299
02:32:53,060 --> 02:32:51,570
the hope for disclosure this is gonna

3300
02:32:55,370 --> 02:32:53,070
take more in five minutes which is all

3301
02:32:58,010 --> 02:32:55,380
we have left but that's how the clock

3302
02:33:00,710 --> 02:32:58,020
goes where do we go from here where do

3303
02:33:04,520 --> 02:33:00,720
we take it well that is a big question I

3304
02:33:07,610 --> 02:33:04,530
think it begins with the individual even

3305
02:33:11,960 --> 02:33:07,620
though that's not a very popular thought

3306
02:33:15,469 --> 02:33:11,970
that everybody listening to this show to

3307
02:33:17,330 --> 02:33:15,479
the many shows that are out there in the

3308
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:17,340
United States and abroad they can be

3309
02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:19,050
small podcasts they can be

3310
02:33:23,480 --> 02:33:21,330
well-established shows they can be

3311
02:33:24,570 --> 02:33:23,490
internet driven they can be on major

3312
02:33:29,460 --> 02:33:24,580
networks

3313
02:33:31,770 --> 02:33:29,470
that we all do our best to keep our

3314
02:33:35,160 --> 02:33:31,780
critical facilities sharp if we're

3315
02:33:38,430 --> 02:33:35,170
serious about the subject to educate

3316
02:33:41,130 --> 02:33:38,440
ourselves not to take this person's word

3317
02:33:43,710 --> 02:33:41,140
because they're famous for this reason

3318
02:33:45,630 --> 02:33:43,720
or that not to just accept an image

3319
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:45,640
because it's kind of cool that we see on

3320
02:33:52,860 --> 02:33:48,610
the internet but to do our homework to

3321
02:33:55,080 --> 02:33:52,870
really study it as finances allow go to

3322
02:33:58,801 --> 02:33:55,090
a conference meet some of the people

3323
02:34:02,011 --> 02:33:58,811
whose work you grow to respect or that

3324
02:34:04,680 --> 02:34:02,021
stand out in a television documentary or

3325
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:04,690
that you know you heard on a radio show

3326
02:34:11,820 --> 02:34:08,530
like this let me cut myself off here and

3327
02:34:14,400 --> 02:34:11,830
say on a positive note something I'm

3328
02:34:16,500 --> 02:34:14,410
seeing more and more as I travel the

3329
02:34:20,400 --> 02:34:16,510
country and abroad and speak with people

3330
02:34:24,830 --> 02:34:20,410
at conferences or speak with people in

3331
02:34:28,200 --> 02:34:24,840
radio audiences or talks that I give

3332
02:34:30,990 --> 02:34:28,210
more and more people seem to care less

3333
02:34:33,780 --> 02:34:31,000
and less what other people think about

3334
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:33,790
what they think about this subject

3335
02:34:41,490 --> 02:34:39,280
and that in its quiet way is major ten

3336
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:41,500
years ago I wouldn't have said that you

3337
02:34:45,060 --> 02:34:43,690
could meet a couple who really took it

3338
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:45,070
seriously but it was kind of their

3339
02:34:49,290 --> 02:34:47,050
private life and they were not

3340
02:34:53,340 --> 02:34:49,300
interested in potentially embarrassing

3341
02:34:55,470 --> 02:34:53,350
themselves to talk to their friends that

3342
02:34:57,690 --> 02:34:55,480
they know socially or people that they

3343
02:35:00,330 --> 02:34:57,700
know from work or their relatives that

3344
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:00,340
they do take it seriously 20 and

3345
02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:03,760
30-somethings almost all of them don't

3346
02:35:08,340 --> 02:35:07,330
even consider the alternative to well of

3347
02:35:11,070 --> 02:35:08,350
course we're not alone in the universe

3348
02:35:12,090 --> 02:35:11,080
and of course the forces that be you

3349
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:12,100
know keep it from us

3350
02:35:15,900 --> 02:35:14,080
the reason that you know I'm not

3351
02:35:18,480 --> 02:35:15,910
obsessing on it or spending all my time

3352
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:18,490
looking at it is I'm competing in a job

3353
02:35:24,450 --> 02:35:21,010
market and a crazy economy I'm inundated

3354
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:24,460
with distractions when I do have a

3355
02:35:29,880 --> 02:35:26,170
little downtime I have all these high

3356
02:35:32,670 --> 02:35:29,890
tech things that entertain me I'm in a

3357
02:35:35,160 --> 02:35:32,680
world where I'm busy all the time on a

3358
02:35:38,219 --> 02:35:35,170
certain level the people that I'm seeing

3359
02:35:41,519 --> 02:35:38,229
who are really more and more being more

3360
02:35:44,250 --> 02:35:41,529
spoken coming to the conferences talking

3361
02:35:47,609 --> 02:35:44,260
to other people about it and outing

3362
02:35:51,059 --> 02:35:47,619
themselves so to say are in the 50 to

3363
02:35:54,239 --> 02:35:51,069
the 70 plus group people who have had

3364
02:35:57,000 --> 02:35:54,249
you know very much coming into the

3365
02:35:59,189 --> 02:35:57,010
Golden Age of their work lives or have

3366
02:36:01,050 --> 02:35:59,199
retired may be lucky enough to have a

3367
02:36:04,200 --> 02:36:01,060
little discretionary spending going to

3368
02:36:07,649 --> 02:36:04,210
conferences and they don't care anymore

3369
02:36:08,700 --> 02:36:07,659
what other people think who for years

3370
02:36:11,279 --> 02:36:08,710
they would have cared

3371
02:36:13,080 --> 02:36:11,289
think about how seriously they take the

3372
02:36:15,689 --> 02:36:13,090
subject they could care less about

3373
02:36:17,340 --> 02:36:15,699
somebody saying gee flying saucers and

3374
02:36:19,319 --> 02:36:17,350
little green men because they know

3375
02:36:21,689 --> 02:36:19,329
they're idiots to say it I think that's

3376
02:36:24,059 --> 02:36:21,699
a really healthy trend but it's not

3377
02:36:27,779 --> 02:36:24,069
changing geometrically it's changing

3378
02:36:30,660 --> 02:36:27,789
arithmetic Li 5 7 9 13 people at a time

3379
02:36:32,670 --> 02:36:30,670
not five seven nine fifty thousand

3380
02:36:34,679 --> 02:36:32,680
eighty thousand six hundred thousand a

3381
02:36:37,489 --> 02:36:34,689
million point eight people at a time

3382
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:37,499
what it will take to make that jump is

3383
02:36:42,679 --> 02:36:40,329
what people like Steve Bassett are

3384
02:36:44,760 --> 02:36:42,689
trying to focus in on I think it may be

3385
02:36:46,679 --> 02:36:44,770
something that just comes out of the

3386
02:36:49,469 --> 02:36:46,689
blue hits us between the eyes when we

3387
02:36:51,809 --> 02:36:49,479
expect at least maybe it will be in the

3388
02:36:54,179 --> 02:36:51,819
form of an undeniable dump of

3389
02:36:57,120 --> 02:36:54,189
information unauthorized previously

3390
02:37:00,330 --> 02:36:57,130
classified information that a Julian

3391
02:37:02,099 --> 02:37:00,340
Assange or somebody like that just lets

3392
02:37:05,099 --> 02:37:02,109
out and you can't get the toothpaste

3393
02:37:08,099 --> 02:37:05,109
back in the tube and that they have been

3394
02:37:09,779 --> 02:37:08,109
working for time for decades for

3395
02:37:13,170 --> 02:37:09,789
millennia if you want to look at it that

3396
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:13,180
way to get us ready for the fact that we

3397
02:37:17,460 --> 02:37:15,369
have neighbors and they're here and

3398
02:37:19,410 --> 02:37:17,470
they'd like to get back they're part of

3399
02:37:21,929 --> 02:37:19,420
the real estate or interact with us on a

3400
02:37:24,359 --> 02:37:21,939
more active level again it's all

3401
02:37:25,769 --> 02:37:24,369
speculation isn't it gene Peter Robbins

3402
02:37:27,479 --> 02:37:25,779
please tell our listeners if they want

3403
02:37:29,729 --> 02:37:27,489
to know more about what you do where can

3404
02:37:32,429 --> 02:37:29,739
they go my website is being worked on

3405
02:37:35,069 --> 02:37:32,439
right now Peter almond is calm but I

3406
02:37:37,469 --> 02:37:35,079
post announcements of every place I'm

3407
02:37:40,050 --> 02:37:37,479
going to be and every show I'm gonna do

3408
02:37:42,149 --> 02:37:40,060
on my Facebook page there are other

3409
02:37:43,649 --> 02:37:42,159
peter robbins is out there one of them

3410
02:37:46,080 --> 02:37:43,659
is a dear friend who is in washington

3411
02:37:49,670 --> 02:37:46,090
state i'm the peter robbins listed as

3412
02:37:52,110 --> 02:37:49,680
Ithaca New York I've just weaned out my

3413
02:37:54,030 --> 02:37:52,120
friends list a bit

3414
02:37:56,790 --> 02:37:54,040
so I do have some room for more friends

3415
02:37:58,261 --> 02:37:56,800
and glad to include you if you're

3416
02:38:03,000 --> 02:37:58,271
interested in following what I'm doing

3417
02:38:05,130 --> 02:38:03,010
my next public situation will be at a

3418
02:38:08,750 --> 02:38:05,140
terrific conference in Exeter New

3419
02:38:11,100 --> 02:38:08,760
Hampshire on Saturday September 2nd and

3420
02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:11,110
thanks for having back on the show gene

3421
02:38:14,790 --> 02:38:13,090
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3422
02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:14,800
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02:38:19,801 --> 02:38:17,050
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3424
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3426
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3429
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3430
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3431
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:37,930
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3432
02:38:42,030 --> 02:38:40,210
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3433
02:38:44,280 --> 02:38:42,040
for joining us on the power cast you

3434
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:44,290
most welcome and it's been great to be

3435
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:47,170
back on the show and let's see how

3436
02:39:04,020 --> 02:38:48,880
things shake down over the next weeks

3437
02:39:10,570 --> 02:39:07,540
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3438
02:39:13,410 --> 02:39:10,580
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3439
02:39:17,170 --> 02:39:13,420
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